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If it's regular submit it's one thing, but if they're paid pages it's quite another. The only email reply I got was from canada.com, who said it was sent on to engineering, but that's it. No replies from anyone else.
I did a couple of pages to try it, but as of now it was a waste. Is there any way to tell?
I check out Hotbot..enter the domain name in the search box...if the date is current, then I assume that it's a PT page...if I enter a keyword search, I choose a domain and click on "see results from this site only" and there I check the dates.
This seems to work even if the results come from Direct Hit...does anyone know if this is correct?
Generally speaking, that may be true.
From experience, I do know that pages indexed in January and are in the database.... main one, have never been paid.
It has been said in other threads that if you submit the free way, the page is given a penalty. I do believe this but if the page is found by Ink anyway, the penalty is ABSOLUTELY lifted.
Ink also seems to follow and index all links real well as long as the site has good link pop and as long as Ink finds the site/page on it's own.
I don't know if it was the email to canada.com that did it, but those pages are all out - not a one left, either on MSN or HotBot.
ihelpyou, the pages indexed in January - when were they first submitted?
Brand new pages were submitted towards the end of December.
Some dates on the listings are:
1/31
1/20
1/04
I know that eventually I will have to pay to get indexed but for now, I will continue to submit the free way since it still works for me.
Another page from the same site, for which I did the free submit - oh, it had to be not too long ago, because I just re-did it - definitely not prior to January, but there are a few links up to the site itself - the index page (which is the paid one) the URL is now indexed at MSN - it doesn't come up in a search. But since it appeared, the paid page got killed, with absolutely no changes made to it, whatsoever. Nothing changed except the new page from the site appearing.
I cannot change either of these two pages at all, because one is kicking butt at AV and the other at Google.
I will be uploading a new version of a third page this week, which will actually eventually act as a hallway for the site, as well as having a few links out in the section(this site is being thought out very slowly) and I'll have to decide whether to do the free or the paid submit on that page, or put up a link to it and let Ink find it on its own.
>>Ink also seems to follow and index all links real well
From what I understand of the paid submit, it's only that page that gets crawled, so I don't know if pages linked to within the site from the paid page gain any benefit.
I've got a decent enough handle on AV and Google and have no problems with them, but with Inktomi I am still considerably in the dark, especially with how they handle links, both inbound and within sites.
With your sites that are now indexed - are they in the permanent database, and are they being found by URL, or with search terms?
I just now saw your question.
Most of the sites in the MAIN database are also in the Looksmart directory. Looksmart seems to be playing a major role now with Inktomi.
Other sites Ink seemed to find on its own.
I few sites were submitted the free way.
Older sites in can be found in the top ten by search terms.
The paid page is at #6 and #7 for 2 different search phrases. The free submit appears by URL, but not under a search term - and it's showing the version prior to what it's listed with at AV - better than all.
At MSN, one phrase has 12 directory listings under one category, and my paid is #15, the third non-directory result. The other search term has 21 directory listings, mine is #27 - the 6th non-directory. The free is found in top ten under the search term used prior to getting a lovely Google listing (with a changed title and description - threeof them directory listings), so I'd better do up another page with it, or make a decision real quick, based on viewing the stats.
It looks like the deck was shuffled after those non-relevant pages were removed - and the paid page is doing better than expected, since it's "one size fits all" - and I wouldn't think of touching it because of where it's sitting on Google (with a few quality links being added this month).
The value of this paid page is that the results were quick to see and I now know to find an alternative phrase without so many directory listings to contend with, and add a page with that term used.
Doug, I'll probably do a LookSmart on it once the site is developed, since I know the value of MSN listing. But the current listings will show me what category and phrases to target - so the small investment seems to have been well spent (thanks to the response from canada.com), just in the research value.
Since the free submit page on the site is now appearing at MSN, taking only a few weeks longer than the paid (I set up incoming links immediately) - it's a toss-up, but the paid wins hands down if changes will be made and pages added frequently.
Thanks for all the input.
I will just hang low for awhile as Ink comes around at least once per month. As long as the free submit works, I'll stick to it and only spend the bucks when I have to.
