20+ Pages Disappeared in Last Update

only our index page is left?

[mivox]

Any idea how this happened? On their previous update, Ink picked up all our new page titles, and had everything current less than a week after I changed the site...

This time, our index page shows with the most recent title, and ALL of our other pages are gone... *poof* Can anyone think of a reason why Ink would drop everything but our index page?

Should I try submitting the sub pages through an Ink affiliate? Would I get a penalty, even though the pages had been in their index before? Should I put a link up on another site, and submit that, so Ink thinks it found them itself?

The index page has improved in ranking on a couple of terms, decreased in ranking on another... before, we had 20+ pages in the index, so if one didn't do well on a specific term, another one usually would pick up the slack...

[stcrim]

Mivox,

This isn't going to be much help, but you're talking about classic INK. Before pay to play 1/2 our time was spent submitting.

Paying seems to be the only way to keep it in the database

-s-

[mivox]

I've never had a problem with Ink at all, except for an often long lag between submission & inclusion...

I understand it's getting worse since they started PFP, but I don't see why they would have dropped over 20 pages that seemed to be well within the their 'rules'

grrr

[JamesR]

>but I don't see why they would have dropped over 20 pages that seemed to be well within the their 'rules'

I do. $

[mivox]

Well, I haven't paid for our index page either... *ulp*

They're shooting themselves in the foot if they're purging unpaid URLs from their results. Their DB would become so small and irrelevant it would seem their 'affiliate' sites would start dumping them in favor of other SE result providers faster than you can say "also-ran"

[hello]

The answer to all of your questions about showing up in ink's listings is very simple. whether you pay for indexing or free submit is irrelevant. the only sites showing up in top ranked searches are spammed pages. go to msn and type in (online visa credit card applications) in search bar and after directory listings, 95% of all the pages from ink are mirrored pages spammed into the inks index. the pages are from the same domain with different subdomains or redirected pages of same domain with different subdomains. i am talking about thousands of thousands. these pages are all from the same people. ink has been notified and they havent researched it or deleted them. so fugetaboutit! getting ranked high (no matter how good your page is) is nearly impossible until these spammers are eliminated. maybe the answer would be to only allow original domain name and no subdomains. it seems harsh, but these spammers (and they cannot be stopped)are not going to pay for thousands of domain names. then possibly, quality domains will have a chance to show up and be seen!

[mivox]

Well, we had a lot of good pages in there before... and the weird part now is: with Excite's recent update (from the Ink DB), we have TWO pages in Excites results, but only the index page in the other partner sites.

curioser and curioser...

[markd]

I have experienced the same 'drop outs'.

PFP pages disappeared from IWon, HotBot and all Ink partners except MSN.

I am going to try a 'tweak' on the pages which have gone and see if they are re-indexed/ranked in the 48hr refresh period.

I think that we all knew that PFP would result in Pay For Spam - those that can afford to spam will abuse the system.

Anybody else noticed problems with IWon and HotBot.com in particular? Have you resolved the problem of 'drop outs' in these engines?

[stcrim]

markd,

Welcome to the INK forum of WMW. With INK I don't think there is a way to keep pages free or paid from going POOF from time to time. As long as I can remember it has been their nature.

With the PTP program you only have to do three thing, experiment, experiment and experiment. Also, remember each SE using INK can also add their on tweaking to the INK algo

-s-

[PeteU]

hi "hello", the increase of spam and non-removal of it usually means there is major change in the algorithm pending and engineers are counting on new programming to take care of these problems and therefore are not doing any manual cleaning.
Hmm, does that make sense??

[Marcia]

PeteU, there were pages and pages of irrelevant redirected doorways filling a category - no luck with emails anyplace. I notified canada.com and in a few days got a reply that it had been sent to the engineers, and poof! The spam is gone.

I haven't bothered to check the remaining pages in the category, and I am not making any changes to what's in there, even with the drop - they're doing fine elsewhere. I'll put up a new page, same keyword phrase as the main page (the paid one), link to it, and wait for it to be found.

Same with the other sites that fell (all of mine in there). Remembering the Ink instability and disappearing act from months back, I won't change anything. I'll just add or wait.

[PeteU]

just looked in MSN and someting weird is happening,
only a minimal database is up or something...

mp3 - 3816 pages
sex - 2379
pokemon - 602
casino - 1883
viagra - 100
britney - 302
napster - 116

all these should be in hundreds thousnds or at least high tens of thousands of pages