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Hello Jim:
Good to see you here in the forum.
My questions are these:
My pages that I have paid for inclusion are in the database but buried beyond belief. I am fairly familiar with the algos of the partners and I am surprised that my main pages are so obscure. I am not quite sure what to make of this. What, if anything, can I do about this?
Another problem is the updating of my page. It appears on my main page especially that it is not being updated. I know this because I regularly change things on the page because it is a sales page. The last update I show was 11/29. Today is 12/18 - somehow that does not show a 48 hour update to me. I know that it shows the date of the time I last updated MY page and that would be at least every 72 hours, not over 2 weeks.
Thanks,
Jill
Jim, this is a forum of mostly SEO experts. So, at least as far as I am concerned, that statement will not fly.
In my travels, I have been fortunate enough to have multiple listing as the top results. I can tell you without a doubt that - with all things being equal, i.e., good titles and descriptions - the click through rate will exponentially decrease for each listing on the page.
I'll take number one spot on the first page any day of the week.
>If your like me I very seldom look at the first page of a search - kind of like the banners, don’t even know they’re there.
This statement was not to suggest that high listings are not crucial for a SEO, it was just a statement on how I do a search – just a commentary.
Jim
I do something similar. I usually go to #4 or #5. And I never click on "recommended sites" or whatever they call GoTo, etc.
I never noticed that Google had banners until the other day when (that's) Mr. Mackin (to you!) pointed them out to me. :)
>If your like me I very seldom look at the first page of a search - kind of like the banners, don’t even know they’re there.<
This is just MHO, but I don't think that most of us are like your average surfer. I know for sure that a number one listing on AOL or almost any other search engine will bring me more traffic resulting in more sales.
I usually look deeper than most average surfers too, but then I've been in the business for over 5 years so I know how the search engine game is played for the most part. I'd be willing to bet that the "average" surfer puts in the keywords, sees the top ten results and BAM that's what they pick from and usually from the top down.
Like I said, I could be wrong and this is just my experience. Being buried anywhere under the top 20 for most competitive keyword searches is something we strive to avoid.
Jill
I have changed the name of all my pages in the pay to play plan and moved them. This will remove any chance that they were ever part of the free-submit. Once they are in, I'll report back.
If the pages are still only being delivered a percentage of the time, I will send you the tracking info from my logs to trace back.
BTW - I have only tracked this "percentage thing" in hotbot and MSN - we have yet to see any results from AOL
Steve
I contacted support at PT (they responded by asking if a page within a domain was on the same server as THE DOMAIN!) and then they said the problem was mine (a server problem), and I should correct it by changing IP numbers or moving to another ISP. Why do I get the feeling that if I paid AGAIN that domain and pages would work perfectly? I am not happy!
>I contacted support at PT (they responded by asking if a page within a domain was on the same server as THE DOMAIN!) and then they said the problem was mine (a server problem), and I should correct it by changing IP numbers or moving to another ISP. Why do I get the feeling that if I paid AGAIN that domain and pages would work perfectly? I am not happy!
I found the e-mail reply you had been sent by our support staff. Here is the exact question that was asked of you with the exception of deleting your domain: "Is [domain.com...] on the same server as your other domains?" I believe this reads differently then "asking if a page within a domain was on the same server as THE DOMAIN!)"
As you stated previously your have subscribed a number of domain and URLs. Our staff was trying to determine if it was a DNS or Server problem. Maybe we should have sent you off a canned e-mail instead of trying to help.
We don’t make these errors up. If Inktomi is having trouble crawling a site then one of the benefits of the program is that your informed about it. You would be surprised at how many pages are submitted that are excluded by either the robots.txt file or meta noindex tag.
Inktomi is reporting a “Server Failure”. Our support staff provided you a solution that has worked 100% of time with this error. You can dismiss it or try to fix it.
Jim
Reason for renaming was: Those pages had been submitted and appeared in INK before becoming part of the pay to play plan.
Will keep you posted...
Inktomi refreshed the domain and pages on the 20th. I don't want to get into a <snip> contest with you or your people.
I am willing to pay for service. And, I apoligize if you were offended, but I assumed your people were just blowing off the problem. I have a business to run also, and I would hope your scheme serves me.
Edited by: stcrim
What we did was move them to a new directory and rename them. They've only been in for a very short time since the changes. Will post back here when we know if that was a valuable move...
i'm a bit confused, i guess. we are having the same % referrer trace-back problem, but we've had it for months and months (pre-PT). we've just accepted that listings come and go.
you seem to indicate that after renaming your new PT submissions, these submission ALWAYS show referrer trace-back results.
this begs a few questions for clarification:
- have you noticed any difference in traffic totals, since the renaming?
- are you still getting traffic from the old listings that is un-traceable?
in other words, what is the benefit of the renaming? are the two listings competitive in any way? are they ranking beside each other? or, perhaps most importantly, did renaming seem to seperate the listings, whereas before they were someone "grouped together"?
or do you still have 2 distinct listings, with the only benefit that you can now distinguish between the two, and in distinguishing you can now tell which are traceable and which are not?
are you finding that it is "worth it" to maintain your older (free) listings? and traffic-wise, which one is outperforming the other?
(so many questions!) :)
-seoboy
I have never had listings in INK that I couldn't trace other than when INK would do their famous page drops. Then along came the pay plan and we have refers where we could find our pages _Mostly in MSN, but also hotbot.
It has only been a couple of days since we renamed the pages and put them in a new directory. (All 5 of the old pages we paid for had been in the db before)
So far I am able to trace all refers - but remember it's only been a couple of days.
My listings in the old or stable database do great, the listings in the paid db do equally as well, but we have jsut a few of them at this time.
Will answer the rest of your question when I know for sure.
I mean, we've heard alot about it, talked about it from our side a great deal, and you've answered many questions in the forums here. However, I was curious how it was working from your side?
What is the level of quality of the urls being submitted?
