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But Opera has long been a major innovator. A lot of browser features that are now adopted by other browser makers began with this innovator. This includes things like tabbed browsing, page zoom, saved browsing sessions, built-in BitTorrent support, mouse gestures and more.
And by the way, if you care about the mobile market and not just the desktop market, then you ignore Opera at your own risk.
I've been very happy using Opera as my main browser since version 3 - which I paid for. I've always said that all the embedded usability is like putting an extra hour in my day. I'm hoping their next innovations can make that an extra two hours.
This announcement intrigues me. "Clouds"; "Freedom"; This comment in the source of the page:
<!-- We start our little story with the invention of the modern day computer. Over the years, the computers grew in numbers, and the next natural step in the evolution was ... -->
My guess is that Opera 10 will be released next Tuesday.
No sympathy or any desire to see they succeed. Of course if they actually reinvent the web I'll eat my hat... and yours... and yours..., too.
As for the coming news, remember there is a certain amount of marketing involved here, but it is something exciting :)
And I freely admit I'm not one of the happy campers in all this.
The DoJ is satisfied that MS did not accrue their monopoly criminally (would have happened through consumer choice anyway), but did recognize that middleware seemed to have a problem... that's what is under tabs, not the OS...
We start our little story with the invention of the modern day computer.
Over the years, the computers grew in numbers, and the next natural step in the evolution was to connect them together. To share things.
But as these little networks grew, some computers gained more power than the rest and called themselves servers.
Today, millions of people are connected together in a great web ...
Opera Unite [unite.opera.com]
Opera Unite: a Web server on the Web browser
With Opera 10, we are introducing a new technology called Opera Unite, radically extending what you are able to do online. Opera Unite harnesses the power of today's fast connections and hardware, allowing all of us to help define the future landscape of the Web, one computer at a time. Read about how Opera Unite is going to change the way we interact on the Web on labs.opera.com.
You can even run chat rooms and host entire Web sites with Opera Unite. It puts the power of a Web server in your browser
Using such features would put myself and millions of other internet subscribers in violations of their terms of service that strictly forbid hosting web services locally.
Good luck with the liability issues if someone gets booted off their service provider.
I'm always a fan of anyone who tries something new (as long as it's good), especially if it's conceptually different. Whether it takes off or not is not the point, I just like the slightly different look at the web as a whole. Good effort, guys.
I just need to know some people who use it too. My fridge is quite quiet at the mo...
Flies about as well as Google Squared. (Meaning I've already got all that and don't need a fancy name for it and can do it better myself.).
One more reason why I like rock and roll instead of Opera. (and I started as a violinist at age 4 playing the classics until 1962 then took up guitar, keyboards, percussion and woodwinds). I am not impressed.
Host your Web sites running from your own computer.So we will more that ever be exposed to a plethora of useless sites.
To say something like this is to insult your entire audience for being total idiots, and Luddite to boot.
Nobody is asking Microsoft to pay for anything.
Everyone is asking Microsoft to NOT charge OEMs extra, just for daring to load a competing browser on new machines.
Which is what Microsoft was doing before.
And yes, that is unquestionably illegal behavior for a monopolist, as the DoJ and 19 states argued -- and the U.S. courts agreed.
And Opera performed a great public service, particularly as people who testify against organized crime cartels tend to end up spectacularly dead. Most people, including the OEMs, are afraid to testify. (one of the DAs involved in the U.S. antitrust trial who had experience with Mafia prosecutions said he was seeing exactly the same kind of reluctance to testify against Microsoft.)
I personally don't use IE except under duress. In my experience (admittedly limited--reviewing a hundred thousand or so random sites for the Open Directory, besides casual browsing), under my rather heavy use, the IE invariably explodes within 1/2 - 2 hours, while even Netscape 4 could run for 50-100 hours or so without a crash. And, of course, Netscape didn't lock up the whole computer when it crashed, because it wasn't integrated into the 'Operating System' with staples and baling wire.
And, as already mentioned, Opera has been a strong competitor, constantly shrinking the resources-required envelope, while aggressively supporting standards AND adding new, USEFUL, user interface features. This is a picture of what the word "innovation" meant before Microsoft prostituted it. And Firefox wouldn't be what it is, without Opera's alternative perspective on the path to better software. And without Firefox, Microsoft would be content to still be shipping IE 4, or maybe 5 -- probably without security patches. (There's probably be a third-party market in security front ends for the IE, like Norton Antivirus for Windows, that cost every internet user another $50.00 a year.)
Add it up. Opera's worth a lot to the world. We could live without Microsoft, no problem, but a world without the little companies with bright people who care about good software, would be a bleak place indeed.
[edited by: hutcheson at 6:46 pm (utc) on June 16, 2009]
It is *not* just like p2p. It is a proxy cache. Opera's proxy cache, keeps a copy of the object until it is replaced or updated on your machine. Your machine only fesses up one copy of it to the proxy cache. Everyone else pulls from the cached copy. Thus, it is not a true "web server". You could serve a picture a million times off your feed, and all you do is send one copy to the proxy cache server. This is *really* what Opera Turbo was testing in the beta tests (the proxy caching mechs).
It has been 12hours since the feature was introduced. Has mozilla ripped it off yet? ;-)
> any developers
You think? Just look at the huge numbers opera has attracted to it's widgets: [widgets.opera.com...] . that is an awesome developer base.