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My niche is business people in the online space.
This search engine will soon join the ranks of the fallen. Really pathetic.
It's as if they are trying to rank everything that should not rank... put up keyword subdomain, spam 200,000 blogs, make sure you have absolutely zero links from high quality sites in every niche. Bleech.
Then there are those sites of questionable editorial quality that benefit from huge numbers of links - like sitewide links amongst interelated phony directories - that are ranking quite nicely. FWIW, Google is doing a much better job of filtering out those useless links these days.
WBF
I keep staring at my computer shaking my head, the results are really bad. It's like hoping the underdog is going to score and the other team just intercepted and ran for a touchdown.
Come on MSN!
I guess Google must be laughing big time.
Ironicaly I have suffered ranking loss on all my terms yet I have an above average adsense day lol.
Anyway, I am sure things will go back to something more reasonable shortly
I am pretty sure this algo is going to be fine tuned in the next couple days.
I have to say that I agree. I had an outburst earlier when the update began, but after MSNdude asked me for examples, I took a step back. It is hard for me to be patient, but I think they are working on it. They seem concerned about our feedback and getting it right.
I hope MSN has a real update instead of the same junk moved around in different places.
It should have been finetuned before releasing it! This is far from quality. When I buy something I want the supplier to deliver a properly working product. I don't want him to ask for examples and to come back several times to finetune it, while in the mean time I'm loosing money because of his clumsiness.
You also have to understand that many things can not be tested localy. Sometimes you have to release a product (or in this case an alogorithm) to the masses in order to make it better.
Its good to not and try to be Google, but lets not try and be Excite.
They still cant deep crawl sites - the bot is next to useless
The results are poor for most keywords and once you look for three keyword strings upwards you can count them out.
The reason why the results are so poor is imo due to the crawling issues. A big site with 50,000 pages will be lucky to get 2,000 listed, meanwhile Google can spider and index an entire
site.
The only thing msn do well is let spammers rank in the top 10 for sites put together in a couple of days - msn is the easiest search engine to spam by far and its not difficult to get a site ranking top of the serps quickly.
Msn are still playing at search imo
Umm lamest seo tactics? Well a true game player would see that there is some validity in having a URL name that is related to your subject matter.
>The reason why the results are so poor is imo due to the crawling issues. A big site with 50,000 pages will be lucky to get 2,000 listed, meanwhile Google can spider and index an entire
site.
See related point below and a previous note made here [webmasterworld.com...]
It also should means smaller dedicated sites will be able to rank alongside the SUPER MIND BLOWING large sites that "others" think are the only ones that should exist and get hits.
>Who is in charge over there?
Someone who knows what new information is and how to index it. Spam reports are taken seriously at MSN as anywhere else.
[edited by: stinkfoot at 1:49 pm (utc) on May 26, 2006]
Having a domain related to your subject matter makes sense. Even though blue-widgets-blue-widget.blue-widgets.com/bluewidgets is overkill, MSN likes it!
"Someone who knows what new information is and how to index it. Spam reports are taken seriously at MSN as anywhere else. "
MSN has serious spidering issues and abilities to keep index pages listed. There are only so many SPAM reports we can run. It should not be our job to show them right and wrong.
Ok that is a bit overkill ... there should be limits to it I admit.
>It should not be our job to show them right and wrong.
Agree but, technology is not infalible and never will be. There are issues with many search engines and how do you think the owners / writers get to know about them? Yup .. us ... it is just the way it is.
However, MSN should be able to catch most of this SPAM.
If Honda was making cars where the wheels kept falling off...do you think they would know about it? Or would they have to rely on the car buyers to let them know.
All 3 sites redirect to other domains, good one MSN
hmmmm dont think this will stay
[edited by: Receptional at 9:16 am (utc) on May 27, 2006]
[edit reason] Please find a way to make points without specifics [/edit]
My niche I have not seen much change but I have always ranked good with MSN.
One thing, MSN is good about looking at a theme of a site and ranking relevant content about the theme.
As far as not getting your whole site indexed, that is ok. Keeps the index size down which really makes it easier for msnbot to crawl faster. Come on, how many people really look at more than 20 pages of a website anyways? If you have 20,000 pages I am sure there are only about 100 pages with the real meat and bones of your website. As long as those 100 are indexed and rank well for keywords who cares about the other 19,900
Its not always about the "size" its about relevancy and to be honest MSN search is 10 times better than the google mess right now....
[edited by: Receptional at 9:17 am (utc) on May 27, 2006]
loans is a generic type of term though
Broad terms are just as important as longer phrases. If anything, the single-word searches should be cleaner than the longer, obscure phrases, assuming they do any manual testing, and I am pretty sure they are working on that.
Generic or not, the blogspot spam and other subdomain spam need to be gone.
