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But that's NOT what is going on. What is valued is keyword in subdomain. In other words,
junk-stuff.example1.com will have an ENORMOUS edge over
That is just foolish search engineering. Even if you give a SMALL scoring edge to the subdomain (which you shouldn't) that would be one thing, but folder level words seem to be valued at about 1/20th of sub-domain words.
After a nice email from MSNdude assuring that Adcenter team wasn't connected to the Relevance team, I went over a bunch of our SERPS and it isn't nearly as bad as I thought I saw yesterday.
however for one important key phrase we have been dropped and replaced by someone's cancellation policy page, the next result being a MFA site.
a work in progress I assume. The world is always in a state of flux.
But, then again, MS built a multi-billion dollar empire by releasing buggy software, then waiting for millions of users to find all the errors....
I hope the mods allow the specific keyword mentioned above to remain in the thread. It really opened my eyes to what people are complaining about.
With a hugely important keyword like this, it is almost inconceivable that MSN would let this sort of problem surface in public.
Without specific examples, all the chatter about "horrible spammy results" just sounded like sour grapes, since I wasn't seeing anything as vivid as that example in my own sector, although I see some evidence that sites may be getting an increased boost from having the keyword used as a subdomain or otherwise strategically placed within the URL.
MSN looks good to me.
this thread is sounding more like a spam reporting thing.
If you don't rank well at MSN, you need to learn how and quit whining.
You must run a spam site, or by luck/good fortune you are ranking well; it may not last. But that is beside the point. The point of this thread is to help MSN see some of the problems with the serp quality, subdomain spam, etc. They can't improve the algorithm without feedback.
rename the thread > MSN QC
Is that all you are concerned with? The name of the thread and it's purpose? Why bother reading, or even checking in to see what we say if you don't care? As you gain experience posting in this forum and others, you will learn how to contribute; otherwise, best leave the topic for the rest of us who care, have problems with the serps, have feedback, and possible solutions.
Like Steveb said, no one cares about your current rankings. You can polish your badge, but we simply don't care.
best leave the topic for the rest of us who care, have problems with the serps
Yeah crobb305, I read back and see where you took a hit in rankings. Sorry to hear about that.
What I know about any large index updating across servers and server farms is it is best to give things some time to settle. They probably still have a few knobs to play with. ;)
1) Live.com is supposed to be the same as search.msn.com, msn.com, or any other MSN Search URL. The differences are in the UI, not the AI. :-)
2) We did indeed roll out a new Net this week. Unfortunately, an unrealted event earlier in the week allowed about 100M pages into the index without filtering. A great number of these pages were very poor.
3) These two events took effect at the same time, and event #2 was about 2x as large as event #1.
4) We did not fully unravel this ourselves until about two hours ago.
The system should finish purging and recrawling the 100M suspect pages by Sunday morning, PST. At that point it should be possible to see what the new net REALLY looks like.
We'd like to thank all the people who cared enough to tell us what they really thought -- no matter how negative it was. We have thick skins here and we genuinely appreciate the feedback.
Many of the issues raised here are being addressed. Some of them turn out to be harder to do than they might seem to be, but even so, we're optimistic that you'll be able to see substantial progress across the summer. We don't want to promise anything specific, but we'll try to be better about commenting on things that you do discover as we roll them out.
Thanks again, and sorry about the spam blip.
Steve: Don't expect to see everything fixed by any single update. From here on, this is like climbing a mountain; progress is by slow, measured steps. Also, bear in mind that there are steps you cannot see -- infrastructure improvements that are vital for progress yet invisible to the public. Finally, there's no progress without risk; there will be slipups despite all efforts to prevent them.
That said, we're very optimistic here, we expect good progress over the summer, and we'll have more specific comments with each successive step. Thanks for sticking with us.
Now that is the best thing to come out of MSN so far. The thing lacking from MSN to date is the appearance of any incremental steps, and in fact, the lack of major screw ups. A screw up at least shows signs of effort.
If MSN incrementally figures out niche authority, stops relying heavily on simplistic stuff like subdomain name, and abandons nonsensical policies like geotargeting "neptune" or "Aristotle" searches they could become a great engine and the market leader.
Oh, and they also need to stop listing one of my domains without the www since the non-www URL has not been accessible since before they even had a search engine. (I still don't get that one....)