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I have emailed them several times but never heard back of course!
[edited by: Receptional at 12:31 pm (utc) on Jan. 19, 2007]
This is a version of [live.com...] as it looked when our crawler examined the site on 1/5/2007. The page you see below is the version in our index that was used to rank this page in the results to your recent query. This is not necessarily the most recent version of the page - to see the most recent version of this page, visit the page on the web.Live is not affiliated with the content nor parties responsible for the page displayed below.
Moved Permanently
The document has moved [linked]here[/linked].
There are a couple of sites that got KILLED when hosting was moved this past summer though, but with those two there might be something in the way the server is configured for the name-based hosting & IP numbers on their reseller accounts.
Another thing: when the number of pages with the site: operator is given it's WAY inflated. For one site it says 287 pages and it's got a total of about 60.
Also: the wording of this is troublesome:
below is the version in our index that was used to rank this page in the results to your recent query
If what was used to rank the page is what's shown below, how can that or the page redirected to rank for relevant search terms when the content is the 301 message? See what I'm driving at? If there's an irregularity with that, then those pages (the new ones) won't be able to rank, they'll be lost in outer space. Yes or no?
[edited by: Marcia at 1:22 am (utc) on Jan. 13, 2007]
[edited by: Receptional at 12:33 pm (utc) on Jan. 19, 2007]
[edit reason] took out the translation software specifics [/edit]
I think i have deleted my main home page example.net (possible as it was first found by MSN) and rewrote it to www.example.net.
MSN delisted example.net but has not relisted www.example.net.
I dont think they will get up to speed with adding pages until Vista rollout.
I lose my homepage and then the links to other pages.
Its only a theory based on my experince and what I have read from others.
mark
It's showing the same as others are seeing:
Moved Permanently
The document has moved [linked to the new url]here[/linked].
(Cache date is 1/9/2007.)
The new URL's (from what I just checked) are now available when I search for them by exact address as well as for a few search terms again. So maybe that means the problem (in my case anyway) is correcting itself. The new urls showing up has happened sometime since January 4th, the cache date for one is showing 1/9/2007 (same as problematic cache date on it's old "Cached error" pages url). Before the 4th they didn't show up at all.
msndude, I'd be happy to send you the addresses of these pages (both old and new urls). If it helps I can also send the lines in the logfiles where MSNbot crawled those pages, copy of the redirect code used, or anything you might find helpful to diagnose the problem.
I'd 301'd other pages September 4th that were updated as I'd expected. If any information about those would be useful, ditto about sending any info your way.
I almost forgot to add, these pages also do have the non www to www redirect, but I'm using absolute urls inside the website and haven't seen (in a quick scan of the logs) anywhere where MSNbot hit a double redirect, so I'm guessing that probably isn't the cause.
Oh, and Welcome WebmasterWorld (new) msndude! :)
[edited by: LunaC at 11:06 pm (utc) on Jan. 13, 2007]
Haven't heard back yet from MSNDude so I amalso hoping that they are working to fix the problem(s) right now :)
[edited by: Receptional at 12:35 pm (utc) on Jan. 19, 2007]
[edit reason] specics removed [/edit]
[edited by: Receptional at 12:36 pm (utc) on Jan. 19, 2007]
[edit reason] Just cleaning up the thread, Marcia! [/edit]
[edited by: Receptional at 12:37 pm (utc) on Jan. 19, 2007]
[edit reason] I should have done this sooner, eh? :) [/edit]
[edited by: Receptional at 12:40 pm (utc) on Jan. 19, 2007]
[edit reason] specifics [/edit]
It seems that MSN has banned them for being spam sites and the "funny" thin is that ALL sites on the same IP has been banned for "getting a lot of suspicious links and appear to be in an illegitimate link exchange"
I know that at least one of my sites have been scraped and have links to my site (most of them rel=nofollow probably) but why should my site suffer from that? There is nothing I can do about it and I sure as hell haven't been in any illegitimate link exchange at all!
It seems that if one site on a shared IP gets banned, then ALL SITES GETS BANNED! This is NOT fair and should be fixed by MSN ASAP!
I am hosting sites for different people, even my mother-ion-law, and her quilting store got banned also! Bunch o' ......
Sorry for all the hacking of everyone's posts in this thread. I ONLY took aout the name of the software package being mentioned. I also hadn't heard of the translation software being discussed, but its name wasn't very relevent in itself and we do avoid specifics.
Maybe that would be valid logic if there weren't sites experiencing the same thing that don't use the software. The issue has deeper roots than that.
In my case, with one site that's been a problem it's been uncovered that there was a misconfiguration with the A-name which has now been corrected. As soon as it got fixed the site got deep-crawled by all 3 engines.
Added:
>>MSN has huge problems with the translation software.
If that's so, then that makes it the translation software that's the problem, not MSN. No search engine is responsible for a site's problems that are caused by proprietary software they're using. It's a responsibility to adapt to *standards* but software that one company is selling doesn't qualify as a *standard* - not with W3C or anyplace else.
[edited by: Marcia at 10:03 pm (utc) on Jan. 19, 2007]
ALL of my sites that has ever had any 301 redirect are almost gone from their index.
Your other post talks about your suspicion that reciprocal linking was a big factor, do you now believe this is the issue?
But I guess, I was on the wrong track with the 301 redirects at least for my sites but it is something that MSN needs top llok at still.
Stickied you msndude; hopefully you can confirm and fix.
JoeSinkwitz
Not sure if they are working on a fix or not. Maybe they are not at fault at all. It's probably just us that do wrong things but it's hard to be able to follow all the rule changes that goes on in SE's. One day you can do this and the next day you're #*$! out of luck because you did it.
To me it seems like link building is not something you do. You don't trade links, you don't ask for links, you don't have links out to other sites, in short, don't point to any other web sites than your own. Then what? How are SE's going to "value" your site? Their algo's will break since they don't have anything to tell them that "it is a good site" and should rank higher. Maybe this is what we need to do to get a real change and challenge them to not to fix broken algo's but actuall create a new one that works.
Wonder if DMOZ created a Search Engine if that one would be better since they have actual people checking the sites. If the site is not good, then don't add it!
SUMMARY: It appears that if the page was indexed before 1/25/07, any 301 condition is temporarily redirected to a “301 Permanently Moved” page and the SERP shows only the domain as the “title” and the URL. Previously existing redirects indexed after 1/25/07 appear to be fine.
Command site:www.example.org shows 2,499 pages (about right) in the count. The first page SERPs looks correct with Title, Snippet, URL, and cache link for all but one listing.
CONDITION ONE
Multiple 301s to Single Page No Cache Link
The "Line Listing" looks like:
www.example.org
www.example.org/lasik/faq/lasik-faq.htm
There is no cache link for this Line Listing
This page has multiple 301 redirects in the .htaccess file, all going to the same new page.
redirect 301 /lasik_faq.html http://www.example.org/faq/lasik_faq.htm
redirect 301 /faq/faq.htm http://www.example.org/faq/lasik_faq.htm
redirect 301 /faq/faq.html http://www.example.org/faq/lasik_faq.htm
redirect 301 /faq/lasik_faq.htm http://www.example.org/lasik/faq/lasik-faq.htm
EXAMPLE TWO
Two-Step 301 Redirects with Cache Link
The "Line Listing" looks like:
www.example.org
www.example.org/faq/subjects/certified.htm • Cached page
The cache for this Line Listing shows it was created on 1/15/2007 and has the "301 Moved Permanently" page noted by others. Clicking on their link takes you to http://www.example.org/lasik/faq/best-lasik-doctor.htm
In the .htaccess file there is a two-step redirect:
redirect 301 /faq/subjects/certified.html http://www.example.org/faq/subjects/certified.htm
which is then redirected to:
redirect 301 /faq/subjects/certified.htm http://www.example.org/lasik/faq/best-lasik-doctor.htm
EXAMPLE THREE
Multiple 301 Redirects, Lost Cache:
www.example.org
www.example.org/surgeons/lasik-doctor-not-certified.htm • Cached page
Clicking on the cache link provides a page blank except for saying, “Could not find the requested document in the cache.”
In the .htaccess file there are many 301 redirects, all pointing to the same page.
redirect 301 /surgeons/first1_last1.htm http://www.example.org/surgeons/lasik-doctor-not-certified.htm
redirect 301 /surgeons/first2_last2.htm http://www.example.org/surgeons/lasik-doctor-not-certified.htm
Clicking on the Line Listing “title” (www.example.org) takes you directly to http://www.example.org/surgeons/lasik-doctor-not-certified.htm at our website.
EXAMPLE FOUR
301 Redirect with All Items Correct
Epi-Lasik Laser Eye Surgery
Epi-Lasik is gaining in popularity because of quick vision recovery and a reduce probability of ... Lasik Top Three Articles: Find Certified Lasik Doc: Detailed Lasik Description: Wavefront Lasik
www.example.org/lasik/faq/epi-lasik.htm • Cached page
In .htaccess file there are two 301 redirects, both pointing to the same page.
redirect 301 /faq/subjects/epi-lasik.htm http://www.example.org/lasik/faq/epi-lasik.htm
redirect 301 /faq/subjects/epilasik.htm http://www.example.org/lasik/faq/epi-lasik.htm
Clicking on title “Epi-Lasik Laser Eye Surgery” takes you directly to http://www.example.org/lasik/faq/epi-lasik.htm on our website. The cache is current and shows it was created on 1-25-2007
If you want to see the actual website, replace “example” with “usaeyes”
