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i suspect this has something to do with the fact that the webmaster has moved the site from one hosting to another and now we have our own dedicated server. could this effect in anyway msn's results?
Do a geo-lookup to find out whether the site is now hosted in the country you think it is hosted in... For example, 1&1 in the UK have their servers in Germany...
the latest which is extremely stupid, is that MSN kept only the pages that are disallowed by robots.txt ....
Since the same sites that are apparently filtered or banned on MSN for whatever reason are doing extremely well (but REALLY WELL) on Google and even Yahoo I really have no more interest talking about MSN anymore, let them deal with their lack of understanding. You might reach the same conclusions as I did, not worth the trouble.
I hope your site will be back and I hope you can rely on GG, after all Google provides over 80% of the overall traffic ...
We didn't do anything different other than we just started a Pay Per Click campaign with MSN. Within a few days of setting up our campaign they completely removed our site from the organic listings.
I have tried contacting MSN.com every way possible. They are completely uninterested in helping us figure out what caused this to happen.
The whole thing has been very upsetting.
We have had several sites removed from msn lately, the only thing they had in common was that they were the most popular sites on Yahoo and Google. We are starting to think that having too many "good quality" links pointing to a site is bad with msn as sites with just a couple of inbound links from crappy low ranking sites are on the first page of the msn serps and the great content popular sites are being banned?
I guess if you want to rank on msn you need to find some old crap site, point just a couple garbage links to it and presto... top rankings! Oh Yea, make sure the site is completely off the topic of the inbound link text, remember, less is more..
The only work I had done to the site previously was its .htaccess file, making sure I had no duplicate content for Google. Ie non www to www and index.htm to / etc.
I have read posts elswhere where a bit of .htaccess work had been done in the months prior to being removed from MSN.
Has anyone else had their site removed just after changing their .htaccess?
I know my site has been banned from MSN for having to many links pointing to it.
I do old fashioned reciprocal link exchanges with related sites of interest to my users. The site also have 2 side wide link exchanges with friends sites - boath sites are on the same topic.
My site is very popular so it also has many one way links from all kind of sites - most of them re-publich my news articles and in return some give a link back.
As far as I know I don't use any dirty SEO tricks - I love this site too much and have spend too much time and money building it to just flush it down the draine. But apparently that has happened anyway in MSN.
No link spam or black hat SEO has ever been used (to the best of my knowlage). Obviously I have never said no thanks to a link when I get the oppertunity - but I have never done any forum or blog spam or stuff like that.
I have purchased a couple of text links to get trafic and obviously to help rankings too but nothing major like some of my competitors. I have also submittet to every single directory I have been able to fine.
Now only searching for the URL brings up the site in MSN search - it used to rank well for it's main keywords. It does rank reasonably well in Yahoo and Google.
I have written MSN with no success. MSNDude did reply a long time ago and he confirmed that the problem was the link exchanges - I have tried to fix it but I guess MSNDude has received too many sticky mails to be able to reply.
I can not remove all the link exchanges since they are of value to my visitors and obviously they help Google and Yahoo to index the site.
So here we are stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Looking at the search results for the terms where my site used to rank - banning my site has defenitly not helped on improving the search engine result pages. The results are 95% junk now.
Can't do much about that, especially since Google is even more prone to make screw ups if 301s aren't there.
Webmasters are between a rock and a hard place (or more accurately, between two drunks swerving in opposite directions).
My 301s are first and rewrites (i.e non www to www and index to / etc)
are on the last lines.
is this correct?
Would MSN read this better if the rewrites were first and 301s later?
Is there any specific rules?
Should it not make a difference?
Has anyone else who has had their site removed got theirs in the same order?
Is it possible that if you redirect the domain that MSN has you indexed as (maybe the non www one) to a domain it doesn't have you indexed as (the www one?), then it deletes the first domain from it's databases and starts the site all over using the second domain, including having to recrawl it?
>How would MSN even know if you changed your .htaccess?
.htaccess is a protected system file, absolutely unavailable by web access unless the server is misconfigured. The only way modifying it could deny access to MSN is if you implemented "deny" lines that block them. Or if you block them with robots.txt.
The 301 thing looks highly likely. They appear to draw a distinction between www and non-www. I redirect all www to non-www. A Live Search on the non-www form turns up all my pages. The www form turns up no pages at all.
i also have a similar problem. ONe of my sites has also finalised of being totally deindexed without any issues on it.
I even wrote a topic here and discussed about it.
Check it out [webmasterworld.com...]
looking forward for more opinions
Re 301's, I've still got pages showing up with the cache showing the "page moved" message instead of having followed the redirect to the new page. If you do a site: search those are the first ones that turn up.