How do i move up in MSN

for my keyword

[tonynoriega]

#1 in Yahoo, #5 in Google and #9 in MSN

I heard that tons of reciprocal links is the way to go, but i dont want to put up a bunch of garbage links and drop rankins elsewhere...

anyone got any pointers?

[SteveWh]

I'd recommend against garbage links in any situation. :)
I see MS as a currently underrated and possibly future serious competitor to Google. Whatever screening methods they now use or adopt in the future, what good can come of trying to fool their search engine? Google now slams sites that attempt deceptive methods; there's no reason to think MS won't, too.

[asusplay]

Make your page as irrelevant as possible. A reasonable keyword density will trip the spam filter.

[JoeSinkwitz]

LOL, I was just going to say "spam blogspot". Please MSNDude, for the love of all that is algorithmically derived, nuke that stuff already.

Cygnus

[BillyS]

>>A reasonable keyword density will trip the spam filter.

For some reason MSN absolutely hates my site. I also think I'm a victim of the spam filter. In my area, MSN has a lot of work to do. I just did a rather unscientific test and the results are close, but certainly NOT what the user would want. I really think it's because of this filter.

My advice:

1 - Make sure the keyphrase is in the domain name - even if it has unrelated letters in there too.
2 - Make sure the keyphrase is in the title along with RELATED terms - not by itself.
3 - Make sure a related keyphrase is in H1 - not the phrase you are hoping to rank for.
4 - Have the keyphrase appear at frequency of about 0.1 - 0.2%. That would be once, maybe twice (but I wouldnt risk it).
5 - Make your page as short as possible. MSN does not like text and on page factors such as actual content is a waste of time right now.

Right now, I think MSN is #4 in terms of relevance behind G, Y! and Ask (which is much better lately). They will eventually get it right, but for now they lag behind the others. Plus I see they are still tricked by redirects - someting I rarely see on Google.

Oh boy, I just tried what I thought would be a very competitive phrase - what a mess:

#1 - domain name
#2 - Affilate page of #1
#3 - Spam on a AOl hometown page
#4 - Affiliate site
#5 - Blogspot
#6 - Blogspot
#7 - MSN Money
#8 - keyphrase-x.com (as predicted above)
#9 - Might be a good result
#10 - Affliate website

[edited by: BillyS at 2:08 am (utc) on Oct. 12, 2006]

[bradmann]

Hi tonynoriega! I would suggest U to just concentrate on the fundamentals. Leave everything.