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New MSN Search is LIVE

We are seeing a rollout of MSN new search

         

drdsl2000

3:20 pm on Jan 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It looks like it might be tied into their lateset Windows update.

Results look very good so far, Look out Google!

AND THERE WAS THREE

The Dr

Tigrou

10:33 pm on Jan 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"Is MSN perfect? No. Is it good? No. It has about the same level of crapulousness as the other engines. But it's a different type of crap, so between Yahoo, Google, and MSN, I can find what I want about half the time. "

Dead on post grelmar.

TinkyWinky

5:03 pm on Jan 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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try to search the very common word fu*k and see the results

Much better if it was for f*cker though ;)

angiolo

9:02 pm on Jan 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I noted that in the new Beta MSN, DMOZ is very important in ranking fine: if you have keywords in the Dmoz title you have a bonus... if your site is mentioned in some Editor profile you can have a boost...

egomaniac

9:23 pm on Jan 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Here in northern California I am seeing the Beta results on both the live search and the beta search pages. Both have the "Beta Search" moniker in the upper right hand corner.

Results I am seeing so far are an improvement over last fall, but still not up to quality of Google and Yahoo. They don't have to give the same result, but they can't give crappy results for common searches. And that is what I am still seeing in some of the searches I ran.

I like having 3 competitors, as it diversifies the risks. But MSN still has a way to go here with this.

csnet

9:30 pm on Jan 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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We have been a DMOZ directory site for along time, as well as a Yahoo Directory site.

It has probably helped keep us as the #1 search result for a 2 keyword actress name search for 2 years on Yahoo, Google, Teoma, Ask, and Mama.

However, our site and many other sites in the same genre are listed nowhere in any MSN beta search.

This is black listing and censorship at its worst.

Barleycorn

9:38 pm on Jan 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I live in the Bay area and am seeing the Beta logo in the serps. I was #1 in the beta serps for one of my money terms, but now, as of 1 1/2 days ago, i'm nowhere to be found. I had switched hosting approximately 2 weeks ago without a glitch anywhere else. I'm thinking that msnbot has yet to find my new location. Weird thing is that I thought I saw a correct cached version. Has anyone had a similar issue?

The Contractor

9:39 pm on Jan 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I think a lot of the problem people are having with MSN beta comparing to Yahoo's results are that people forget that Yahoo leaves out a ton of sites. This doesn't mean these sites are doing anything wrong - they just leave them out. So on some of the MSN Beta searches you are not going to show the same cloakers and "keyword keyword keyword keyword keyword keyword keyword keyword" laden sites they see in Yahoo. I'm Glad to see MSN provide their own results - no matter what you may think of them personally. You can take MSN beta and find cloakers, same sites, mirrors, hidden text, and keyword spammers taking the top 10 results... I can take Yahoo and/or Google and do the same for some terms that interest me - so what does it prove?

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We have been a DMOZ directory site for along time, as well as a Yahoo Directory site.

It has probably helped keep us as the #1 search result for a 2 keyword actress name search for 2 years on Yahoo, Google, Teoma, Ask, and Mama.

However, our site and many other sites in the same genre are listed nowhere in any MSN beta search.

This is black listing and censorship at its worst.

Do I understand you correctly - you are using complete duplicate content and complaining that MSN Beta won't rank your duplicate content? And that's a problem with MSN beta? ...hehe ....if that's correct, now I've heard everything...

silverhead

9:49 pm on Jan 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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csnet wrote: This is black listing and censorship at its worst.

Maybe? hhhmmn..how about disorganization or pushing too fast. I've worked for brick and mortar business that put the cart before the horse than tried to catch up or do damage control.
I've done a number of searches on MSN beta and it's pretty literal as you've seen, grabbing at words to search and to heck with the order. I use to have sites rank well(on MSN) pertaining to the area I live in and now the results QUICKLY run out picking up similarly named areas here on earth. This thing doesn't need just one tweak to make it good!
What do you suppose the regular surfer thinks? I propose we ask people who aren't involved with I.T., design, mastering etc what they think of it.
If I were Yahoo right now, I'd have a tv ad blaring it's easier to find the things your looking for with yahoo.com (I'm not a big yahoo user either, well didn't use to be ;o)

csnet

10:06 pm on Jan 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>>> Do I understand you correctly - you are using complete duplicate content and complaining that MSN Beta won't rank your duplicate content? And that's a problem with MSN beta? ...hehe ....if that's correct, now I've heard everything...

No, you certainly do not understand correctly. I have nothing to do with the other sites. Some are commercial photo sites, some are movie/TV database sites, some are fan sites, some are message board sites. There is a lot going on that is completely missed on MSN search that the major SEs find with no problem.

csnet

10:13 pm on Jan 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>>>If I were Yahoo right now, I'd have a tv ad blaring it's easier to find the things your looking for with yahoo.com

That is exactly the opportunity that going live with this beta in this condition will provide to the other SEs.

It's not a smart move at all on Microsoft's part to release this just because the calendar says "Yep, we're past mid-January".

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