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Results look very good so far, Look out Google!
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The Dr
There is a lot going on that is completely missed on MSN search that the major SEs find with no problem.
Wonder why MSN is getting this flak when the same could be said for Yahoo or Google? Just go to the appropriate forum and look through all the threads on "Why am I not in Google" and "Why am I not in Yahoo".
It's called "Beta" and if MS wants to go public with a beta they will do so. I know many serps that could be called "beta" in both Yahoo and Google. At least MS is crawling like crazy building an index. Take a look at Teoma or Yahoo and tell me how many sites aren't even in there? I personally know of close to 100 sites that have never received a hit from Teoma/ASK in a couple years. I'm not trying to stick up for MS although it may sound that way. People are panicking and that's all there is to it. I certainly wouldn't want to be using Yahoo's serps on a site of mine :)
And if hundreds of thousands of people see the crummy results and don't want to come back they won't.
MSN's finding it but it's not showing up in the serps. MSN shows a better representation of indexed files than G & Y! for my largest DB site (ASP), but it takes a quoted query with exact title tag words to bring up a dynamic product detail page.
At last we are seeing results based on content in relation to the keywords requested rather than a pile of junk from the likes of Google and Yahoo that has been festering with the same dire results for years based on the principle that links are God.
Its also fantastic that MSN spider and update rather than the biased cr'p that google updates once in a blue moon.
Sorry but some posters in this forum are of the opinion that because they featured well in Google that they should feature well in MSN. Well wake up guys....MSN is not Google, thank God.
If you want to list well in MSN build your content up rather than building a link farm! Ive lost count of the number of sites that list high in Google that are just full of links and no dam relevant content.
Oh and one last point, hopefully following MSNs entry into the search engine lets just hope that Google and Yahoo at least try to get their act together and start working on providing some quality. Going back to the basics of matching a search term with content rather than links would be a start!
I'm of that opinion and it works with some massaging. But a close look at the logs as usual generally show Google pulling obscure, deep terms that make you double-take; yahoo runs a distant second; and MSN phrases resemble "See Jane Run".
And if hundreds of thousands of people see the crummy results and don't want to come back they won't.
That's very true... just ask Yahoo how they lost and continue to lose users of their search - they had the entire market basically and blew it. I think Yahoo is more into marketing their properties than yours at this point and search results are becoming less important to them.
I don't think MSN is going to lose much in the way of users because they are switching to their own results instead of staying aboard a sinking ship...
The sites I am talking about are loaded with content. Our site has dozens of video clips, hundreds of images, current news about the actress, and yes, links to other sites with additional content that we feel would interest our visitors.
MSN beta gives them a site that was last updated more than 2 years ago, a site that was last updated 1 year ago, and a tobacco company page promoting cigar and cigarette smoking. Nowhere does MSN give users ANY of the sites I am talking about that have active content about the actress.
Your assertions about content making a difference are simply wrong when it comes to the pop culture genre and MSN beta.
Our "sin" as far as MSN beta is concerned appears to be that we have links to these other independent sites that might interest our visitors. Heaven forbid that a user find a site using a web page rather than find a site through the official distorted lens of a high handed black listing censoring search engine like MSN beta.
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I have sites I'm involved with or have been that are not indexed or ranking at this time in MSN Beta, but I'm not going to call them crooked or censoring because they are not.
I see nothing wrong with criticizing a SE, and anyone who has complaints about the way the other SEs work should say so.
The reason I post here is to counter balance statements like "The MSN beta results are excellent", as if MSN beta is good enough for general release now.
I argue that releasing MSN beta now is doing MSN more harm than good and I agree with those that say it is opening the door to more market share for the other SEs. If you are concerned about making the other SEs better, I think you would want MSN to increase market share through excellence in the SERPs, not lose market share due to disappointing SERPs.
You are optimistic that MSN is working out the bugs and will get better results as time passes. After seeing the progression of SERPs over the past several months, I do not share your optimism.
It is incomprehensible how you look at crappy results and leap to "crooked" rather than "lame". You appear to need to get your nose out of your own site, but more to the point, it is not a sensible idea to think someone is rigging a beta product that has only even partially earned any revenue for less than a week!
Wait at least until the game starts before you start saying it is rigged.
