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Results look very good so far, Look out Google!
AND THERE WAS THREE
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I don't know, one of my sites gets consistent top 10s, often number ones, for keywords between 5-20+ million on yahoo, I think yahoo decided it was an authority site or something. Of course, valuable lesson, just because you rank number one for 8 million results doesn't mean you get much traffic from that.
I'll start a thread about a year from now, before and after MSN usage. Actually if you want to put a wager on it, i'll be more than happy to take your money. The window is open.
I was hoping with all the money they had, they could come up with a better product but i was wrong. Not hard to see, just open a few browsers and do a little searching or just search with the new MSN for a week or two, that'll tell you all you need to know. Some people see the Microsoft name and think they can do anything or compete in any market they get into. Just not true. Tivo is one example. Do we need to talk about their browser? Security nightmare, it's why Firefox is making moves on them. Why did they extend their relationship with Yahoo's Overture into June 2006? I remember an article where they were supposed to do that on their own this last summer. They're behind in the game, have become followers not leaders. Trying to play catch up at this point.
"Yahoo is (for now) the best of all three,"
And they're using a lot of what? Inktomi as a foundation, what MSN is giving up.
I'm right Tigrou :)
Awfully sure of yourself.
I wouldn't count MSN out. While they are lacking in areas, this is still VERY early on and they have come lightyears in a relatively short time. In another year, with more data, I think they will have a definite contender.
They are by far the freshest which is sorely needed right now with the G's "sandbox" or whatever you want to call it, and Yahoo's snail's paced indexing.
With a bit more in the way of spam filters, and possibly a slight turn of the link pop knob down a bit, they could easily trump both G and Y.
This way they build their own engine with their own Algo and produce a much better set of results, for once which are relevant to the search term.
Anyone not in the index can pay per click just like the way Google provide it.
The only people here that are knocking MSN are the ones that have had it to good for to long in Google and quickly realise that MSN will do some damage.
Bring it on MSN, at last we have an alternative. Cant wait for them to switch on the UK
But also it may never be explicitly stated, but it is left to assume that the $300 investment is required to play in the real SERPs in Yahoo. e.g. all results are shown but extra weight is giving to those in the dir. It's a fair price for serious sites. I'd expect (maybe wrongly) that since that weighting skews the results, Yahoo would have to put less weighting on that if more SEs would out there. Said another way, you can skew the results a lot if little real competition, less if more real competition.
TrustNo1 - Heh! Like your style if not your argument.
I would easily accept a bet that MSN gains at Google's expense this year. Nothing in this game is certain, many factors could skew it but better than average odds.
So "Let's go." $50?
Probably against TOS to say more so sticky me and we'll find a neutral arbitrator.
I think you may have though missed my 2nd point:
On top of MSN gaining some market share, it is not that MSN will become the much beloved and now bereaved "Google of 2002". It is that they will shake up the scene and force competitive moves by Google & Yahoo towards making the consumer more happy no matter the SE they use.
Still MSN will be the only one throwing significant new marketing budget at the marketplace (for now.)
Not following on how they will gain market share or shake up any scene. It comes down to relevant results and users will go with the SE they feel gives them that. Doesn't matter how much money you throw at it, if you don't have the product to back it up. I know a lot are liking the new MSN just because it likes their sites for now, or they're having bad luck with Yahoo or Google. But it comes down to this. Are you going to be using the new MSN for your everyday surfing? Right now the new MSN would be my 4th choice. I'm sure they'll make improvements as time goes by, they have a lot of work to do to make a strong third. I'm pulling for them, i would like to see 3 strong players. But as it stands, i don't thing they're quite ready for prime time, but they're doing it anyway. I see it as a downgrade from MSN/INK and i think the usage numbers will bear that out. Time will tell.
Several of our pages are the #1 search result in Yahoo, Tahoma, Mama, Ask, and Google for 2 years and we have never paid a dime for any placement.
These pages are not listed at any level except "site:" on MSN beta. They are effectively blacklisted.
If you bother to read what others have written here, there are hundreds of authority sites that are missing from MSN serps, this has been reported numerous times, and nothing is done.
How anyone can claim that the MSN results pages are relevant when they miss the hundreds of authority sites reported here by others is astounding.
They need to fix MSN beta or their 4% market share will drop below 1%.
...they have come lightyears in a relatively short time. In another year, with more data, I think they will have a definite contender.They are by far the freshest which is sorely needed right now with the G's "sandbox" or whatever you want to call it, and Yahoo's snail's paced indexing.
With a bit more in the way of spam filters, and possibly a slight turn of the link pop knob down a bit, they could easily trump both G and Y.
Spot on Philospher...
