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Until I stopped looking for my pages and really started looking at the results I was getting for my keywords...NOT EVEN CLOSE. Little to No relevance.
Looking for blue widgets in North Shores Florida...getting used car lots in North Chicago, or pet grooming in North Carolina.
So, if you've lost pages or placement...relax (it's probably not your site) and wait for the bugs to get worked out.
Surely MSN is working on this...
If you are experiencing the same or have comments, please post.
I'd like to know it's not just me... :-) Fish
I agree, but what constitutes excess when one has a very content-heavy site and wishes to reinforce certain keywords for purposes of brand identity?
If hundreds of major sites have reviewed a particular site and found it to be of incredible use despite what might be seen in normal discourse as a redundant use of language, why should a site be totally banned? If it is good enough to be listed by all the Ivy League schools, and by most major portals and newspaper/magazines why is it not good enough for MSN?
I understand deducting points, but a total ban for an excellent resource due to "keyword density?" That seems really excessive. Just as with all research (and the Internet shines most as a research tool), any prejudice against core information in favor or "new information" would seem counter-intuitive. Newton and Einstein's respective theories are just as relevant today (no matter how shaky some of their data was)...
Thanks,
- Greg
If you think your site has been blacklisted, send e-mail to webspam at microsoft.com. Be sure to do a "url:" query first though -- just to make sure your page really is gone.
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I see some of the problems have been fixed msndude, and now I want to report some spam sites that are showing up.
You guys were right on the money - rankings getting back to norm.
Fish, twebdonny, RichTC and msndude - thanks for the guidance.
Zeus: If you want to do well in the US, I suggest you focus on the US. I'm not sure why you think a site that ranks well in Japan should also rank well in the US.
godspeed: Send reports to webspam at microsoft.com. It's one-stop-shopping to complain about how we have unfairly blacklisted your site as well as to complain about all the spam sites we didn't blacklist. In fact, it's pretty common to see both in the same message. :-)
MSNDude...Thanks for the tips you were able to give. I for one appreciate it.
Fish Texas
Are you finding that (above - "easily fixed with a few tweaks") not true in some cases?
The example I provided had to have all of the main page content ripped out and went from 32K to 6K before it came back into search.MSN.com results.
It was always there in the foreign results, just filtered out of US results.
I had to cut another page down from 25K to 3K before it got listed back in US msn results.
Question, anyone been fresh cached lately? Our last cache
date shows Aug 21, and is completely blank for our
index page.
I, too, am very hopeful that increased crawling/caching will begin soon. This is very big concern for many folks.
Thanks for what you do tell us and the fixes that do get put in place.
I was tired of only getting msn traffic in the middle of the night from India and Singapore and it is nice to be getting some of the sites back in the US index.
(edit) - [You know what I mean. They were in the index, just filtered out of US results. Our State is a bit different but is is still in the United States.]
All of my sites have less than 5% of the content indexed. As well as my parent company. With 3 totally different code bases and platforms.
... but it was their association (the fact they were all owned by one entitiy) that made them spam.
I honestly can't see how that if a group of sites that are engaged in a certain linking/pointing arrangement can be SPAM just because they have common ownership.
If the owner sells one of the sites, but the relationship continues, are the sites "less spammy".
IMHO, these sorts of statements simply add to the confusion of what is so very difficult to define.
godspeed: review the page that dropped, optimize it with customer benefit in mind, and remember that "excess is bad." Then wait for us to recrawl you.
I'll do a dangerous thing here .. make an assumption about an underlying issue then relate it to this comment.
Several posts have talked about pages with [paraphrased] "many links to other domains", "high density of links to content"
I have a page that is predominantly a map. It's also an image map with links to other domains that describe "properties". It has very little text because it doesn't need text.
The key issue: It does what users expect it to do.
So assuming the metatags are not packed with keywords, is that page SPAM? If you say anything except an unequivocal NO, then you have rocks in your head.
Yet by many suggestions I have read in this post, it is SPAM.
If a SE algo says that page is SPAM, then the SE should stop and think about their SE, not tell me that my page is SPAM.
MSNdude, can you give us an idea on when the crawling problems will be addressed?
All of my sites have less than 5% of the content indexed.
Wow, I am seeing some pages with cache from Aug 12, some from Aug 8; it is now nearly September. That is a very long time, but I imagine the crawling is a high priority for them.
Trouble is that most of my customers seem to prefer G.
Wow, I am seeing some pages with cache from Aug 12, some from Aug 8; it is now nearly September. That is a very long time, but I imagine the crawling is a high priority for them.
If they are so busy with spam releases, it must not be a high priority.
I think the term "spam releases" is a bit bitter. It takes work to build a search engine. There have been drastic improvements this quarter, especially with regard to subdomain spam and "junk" pages. Further, they have been very open to our feedback; have you sent them any constructive feedback?
Moreover, my #1 position is not for the homepage - even though it should be. If both Google and Yahoo have got it right, why can't MSN?
Anyhow .. huge empasis on domain name and tons of spammy or amature looking sites ... spam blogs, tripod.com websites, domain.info sites, descrptions that are keyword stuffed, pages with 200-400 links on them. Wowsers .. some of the pages that came up on top can't even be found within the first 100 pages on google.
Id take that as a completment for MSN ;)
Before these last few updates in June my sites did very well on MSN as I think they ranked for relevancy in the content itself. These days I don't get much traffic at all from MSN.
Id take that as a completment for MSN ;)
Then I guess I should take it as a compliment that our site doesn't come up ...
Normally if you don't rank on MSN the solution is at least possible to take a stab at.
Google is so erratic now that cause finding is virtually imposible IMO.
BTW have you looked at your placement on MSN live. Despite what is said here the results look very different for some searches to me.
That might provide a glimmer of hope.
