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I've emailed support to see what they have to say, but was just wondering if this was a glitch yesterday that has affected other accounts too?
BUT, when OVERcharging their customers, and going on to do so after they
know about the problem, they will be liable for any financial damages this causes.. the msn ppl reading this forum BETTER call some of their legal dept. in quickly. Their MAJOR advertisers surely not posting here, but likely also are hit. and they wont be happy too.
MSN just stop billing immediately and announce that you did so, and that
all REAL cost will be charged when the troubles are sorted out..
you keep records of our clicks etc I hope, no?
[edited by: Drreggae at 4:33 pm (utc) on Feb. 23, 2007]
what could have happened then? it would have taken them an eternity to correct the issue.
now they are force to repair the system ASAP as they have probably millions of dollars in one day to be refunded.
very unhappy situation for a brand . it can kill them if they won;t react fast and won't refund every little cent and more then that if they are sued anyone can ask for damages and loses.
Normally they will work 24/24 and no sleep to correct the situation.
The adCenter team are still ascertaining the root cause in order to implement a resolution.
We completely understand your frustration with this issue and are pulling out all the stops to bring it to a swift conclusion.
Once we have fixed the issue we will decide on which and how customers are credited for any overspend due to the error and we hope you'll bear with us while we investigate.
We'll post back in the next 3 hours with further updates.
Thanks again for your patience on this matter.
I immediately phoned the call center at about 8.30 this morning (UK), which was answered within about 5 seconds, and the lady I spoke to had only received a couple of phone calls herself regarding this issue.
At the time she couldn't tell me much, only take my details, but she did phone me back later this afternoon and admit it was a balls up their end, that the techs are working on applying a patch to correct the problem, and that she would personally phone me again on Monday to discuss refund/credit and update with the situation.
Now obviously my campaign is paused and I am losing out big time here, especially if I have to wait until Monday, we're going to miss our monthly targets yada yada.
Two things need to happen (aside from the refund which is obvious):
1) The stats need to be fixed. I need that historical data, it is important to how I manage my campaigns and predict trends/future spend etc.
2) I need to know ASAP when this problem is fixed, so I can get my campaigns running again!
Regarding a previous comment about applying the base bid amount to those erroneous charges, well that is plain dumb if they do that. Microsoft should just refund the amount in full if they can't fix the problem properly.
[edited by: Drreggae at 5:11 pm (utc) on Feb. 23, 2007]
This is not what I have been billed for however, and campaign management is showing highly inflated prices. 400-500% overcharged!
What do you guys get by running a report?
The good news: I was not overcharged at all.
The bad news: All of my orders were "expired" and thus not showing any ads. As I remember they required you to have an "ending date" for orders when you initially set them up (at least in the beta testing) and so all of my orders had stopped showing ads about a month ago. I now have to go and reset all of my orders to "no expiration date".
I was paying $1,100 per click! max bid $1.97!
Also all of my campaigns were paused immediately, I asked if they would be sure to expedite the campaign change and they said it wouldn't be a problem.
It may be worthwhile to withstand the long hold times to make sure you're campaigns are shut down.
I will keep you posted here and will update you as soon as I know more.
Thank you for your patience with this.
Good News: Confirmed it is safe to turn accounts back on. Indicated that I would be charged average pricing not max pricing.
Bad News: Indicated that credits for advertising would be issued rather than refunds. The CSR was not certain, but could not guarantee a refund.
I am curious whether or not people think credits rather than refunds are an appropriate resolution to this issue. Whats your opinion?
Seriously though the support reps were not given enough info on how to respond to this, the adcentre site said 'no service issues' and its easy to move on and forget this but this has really mucked up my profitability analysis this month, my main concern now is that all my accounts are properly examined for credit/refund.
The other thing is that if they attempt to charge these massive extra costs to my credit cards they are going to refuse them, which means the accounts go offline and lets just say it can take rather a long time on the phone with adcenter to get the billing resumed based on past experience.
I think on one hand this is very embarrasing but on the other it means having to spend extra time each day now, ensuring everything looks normal. I believe in adwords you can see your daily spend for the current day so far, why not in adcenter? This might also enable quicker indication on any abnormal spend rather than having to wait a day to find out that its gone crazy.
Billing is still whacked out though. I should be getting a support call tomorrow and hopefully they will let me know about credit/refund. Obviously I think refund would be the preference for everyone, but certainly credit would be the easiest option for Microsoft.
Those of you who were affected by this issue - your account will automatically be credited the amount you were overcharged.
If your account has gone into a paused state due to this issue - the adCenter team is currently investigating this as a top priority and I'll will let you know when I have more details.
I apologize for this inconvenience and thank you again for your patience.