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1:03 am on Oct 11, 2015 (gmt 0)

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I have posted tonight yet even more issues with Win10:

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My Lumia phone so far is still fine however one PC has had to have Win7 reinstalled and tonight I am having to do the same with two laptops.

MS can boast as much as it likes about how many machines are running Win10, I would not recommend it to anyone other than a phone .. fingers crossed!

MS ... If you want to contact me, ok, however you will be told the truth, this OS does not work anywhere near as intended as an UPGRADE from 7/8/8.1 on non-mobile/tablet platforms.
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I have noticed some "lag" in laptops (I have two, a Lenovo and Acer). One is older, one newer, one with more ram, one with less. On both there seems to be some issues with updates taking longer than expected.... then again, MS seems to be winging it with Win 10 in an effort to kill the license model and go service model.

The older, slower, less ram, standard graphics unit seems to do better than the newer, faster, more ram, better graphics unit. I guess Win10 recognizes that it if ain't there, don't fix it. :)

HOWEVER, once installed, and the Win7 is deleted, Win10 is leaner, faster, and reasonably stable, but with the updates coming nearly daily, leaving a machine off the net for any length of time results in a larger/longer update when it is turned on again.
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I spoke too soon ... this morning I am locked out of my Lumia phone ... all I have is a black screen with Loading...
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I am now getting people knocking on my door, people ringing me for assistance across all devices ... this is ridiculous, the updates seem to be the issue.

I took a photo tonight on my Lumia and was locked out for half an hour and after it decided to work again that photo wasn't there.

Since then it has not run correctly therefore I have taken the decision to remove win10 off two phones.

This is rapidly turning into a clusterf**k as some would say.

Is no one else here having any problems since I know of many in the UK who are screaming! Just search for windows 10 issues and you will find loads and loads of results.

Don't get me wrong, I really do like much of the 10 interface etc however it, quite simply, does not work as intended at the moment.
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quite simply, does not work as intended at the moment.


And yet another reason to not be an early adopter ... er ... Wait! That no longer applies as Win 10 is "always on" and not a license to an OS ready to rumble.

Perhaps the kinks will be worked out. We can only hope SOON is in the mix. What I have seen recently, however, is entire segments of the OS are being changed and we're not talking small segments.

I personally do not do "phones", so can only speak to the laptop and tablet side that these changes are a pain in the a$$sets (and I do mean they cost money to the end user in bandwidth).

If this change by MS was to avoid making more CD/DVD media of their OS (transferring costs elsewhere) then they have managed to pi$$ off a few million folks worldwide.
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I wish I could be more help in these Win10 threads, but I have held off on updating any of my systems. I just don't have the time to troubleshoot if something like this comes up. I had enough trouble with virtual machines on Win10 that I'm not sure I will run it on anything for a while...if at all. I've been experimenting with other OSs as well, but nothing beats my stable Win8 setups yet.
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Sorry to hear of your problems.

I upgraded a single Win 8.1 laptop as a test and it's been fine. No problems or hints of problems.

One thing I do is to regularly update drivers and the software I use as, especially the drivers, can cause instability.
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The Lumias have been a nightmare to roll back to 8.1, quite simply if you do a system restore etc within the phone it will simply reset to a clean Windows 10 install. After much searching etc I found the right tools for the job, these have to be installed on your PC.

Once installed, it takes quite a few minutes, simply plug in the phone and go and it will download a 1.6GB file, update itself and when prompted do a clean install, don't try and wind it back a few days.

The tools required are:

NokiaSoftwareRecoveryToolInstaller.exe

WindowsDeviceRecoveryToolInstaller.exe

Depending on the type of phone you are using dictates which tool however if you use the wrong one, like me, it tells you and loads the correct one.

This will completely reset the phone therefore make sure you have backed-up everything to your OneDrive, you will have to re-enter and start afresh with a new phone ... I can tell you, I am missing certain apps etc, I can't believe just how much personalisation I had done but the good news is that after a couple of hours or so you'll soon have most things back to how they were ... assuming you want them back that way.

And yet another reason to not be an early adopter


A very good friend of mine works for a golbal German/Russian/UK corporation and all employees are issued with Lumia phones, they have locked them down securely so that no one can upgrade 8.1, they are also not upgrading past Win7 on PCs, they are not impressed and when German engineers are not impressed MS ought to extract a few digits and get this thing sorted.

Free? It's cost me 30-40 hours so far with all this messing about, that's free?
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Should have taken all win boxen* offline at 7 and air gapped them....and then for online..

p^p^p^p^pick up a penguin..

Minty Penguins are good to start with.. ;)

*Lock win phones so they cannot downgrade to win10..
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Win 10 removed from all machines now except for one tablet which runs better than the diabolical 8.1 that was on it, saying that though it decided to do an update last night and wandered off into MS updateland for half an hour or so ... I need to try a powerful tablet to see if it works properly, mine is a budget one and is not that impressive, otherwise I have a Win 10 free zone now and have no interest in screwing-up any of my machines again.

I saw this PC for sale on a major UK site:

Intel Core i3-4170 Processor
1TB HDD + 8GB RAM
DVD Writer
Windows 10 Professional
downgraded to Win 7 Pro 64bit

Now what does that tell you?
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Is no one else here having any problems since I know of many in the UK who are screaming! Just search for windows 10 issues and you will find loads and loads of results.


I feel the need to restore a sense of balance here. My results are as anecdotal as yours are, but since the Windows 10 launch I have personally updated over a dozen machines (laptops and desktops only, I know nobody who owns a Windows phone). Some of the laptops were from 2008/9 and were untested by the manufacturer, and had previously been upgraded in situ from Vista to 7, others were brand new (purchased with Windows 8.1). Half of them were upgraded in the first week following the final release.

I had not a single problem. Not even one tiny hitch. Everything upgraded automatically, everything worked perfectly after the upgrade. All the applications worked too, on all of the machines, without exception. I can't even help much with troubleshooting as I had no opportunity to troubleshoot. The hardest part was having to switch off the more invasive settings during the upgrade, but you can do that afterwards and just upgrade by hitting "Next" if you want. One cool aspect with Windows 10 is that you can switch the language of the UI simply by downloading a language pack even with the Home edition, whereas you used to have to buy different Windows versions for different languages.

There are a couple of issues here. You mention the "loads of results" for Windows 10 issues, but they still represent a small overall percentage of problems, and some of those are from people who are just stressed because something was moved two pixels to the left. Those millions of users who had no problems aren't posting about it.

Another issue is this: if you want to stay in the Windows ecosystem, there is really no other path to take. Windows 7 is out of mainstream support, Windows 8.1 is a solid OS but with a poor UI and it is destined for obscurity. Moving to Windows 10 is the only way unless you want to change operating systems - being left behind like the XP stalwarts is not an option.

I'm very satisfied with Windows 10. It offers little more than Windows 7 in daily use, but it is stable, fast and easy to use. Anyone else who brings me a Windows machine to update will get Windows 10 installed as a first step - I'm no longer interested in working with older versions of Windows.
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Lucky for you, I'll merely assume, rightly ot wrongly, that your users are not power users since I am getting more and more calls every day from people wanting to know how to switch back.

The seemingly constant updates are one big gripe I keep getting. I wouldn't mind if I were a retail or trade supplier of these machines however I am getting calls from out of the blue from people who are so frustrated with 10 and the local PC stores (read huge UK retail outlet) refusing to advise them what to do other than buy new boxes.

Moving to Windows 10 is the only way unless you want to change operating systems


Now that I cannot agree with, I shall most probably revisit Win10 in 2017 and see if it has improved but until then everything will stay locked down and working correctly.
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Just an update on my experience: The test machine I updated is working perfectly well, with no apparent problems. I'm seriously considering updating other machines, one at a time.
A friend updated two Win 7 machines, and they seem to be working with no apparent problems. The only issue, which is a positive one, is that an old legacy XP program expected not to run on Win 10, still runs, with no apparent issues.

What are these constant updates you are referring to?
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If this change by MS was to avoid making more CD/DVD media of their OS (transferring costs elsewhere) then they have managed to pi$$ off a few million folks worldwide.
MS Office has been a download only for years (version 2010) and yes, this has pi$$ed off many. They are not amused when told to "Burn the downloaded file to a CD". Mostly the grumpier and older folks my age and older (62).

Win10 content - have yet to have an upset customer bring in a Win 10 failure done on a virus free machine. All walk ins are support questions - 'where is yada yada' etc. One W10 upgrade fail after rolling back (restore OS from bios menu) had over 100 virus. After scan/clean W10 upgrade went through with no issues.
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As I understood it, Hoople, you can buy a CD/DVD/USB of the OS - it's what i did with Win 8. However, each time i've tried to burn the OS for the first time at installation of the OS, and then tried to recover, it doesn't work to recover the system. Something in the burning process, a dodgy disk, or whatever, who knows. Thankfully, it's not been needed too often.

I went to see someone with a Win 10 machine at the weekend and they had an out-of-date a/v product on the machine. I cleaned the machine up and loaded a free a/v prog on there. A free one is better than nothing, imho.
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However, each time i've tried to burn the OS for the first time at installation of the OS, and then tried to recover, it doesn't work to recover the system.
When I had to upgrade the display laptops the company supplied W10 media (a USB stick) that was branded as by Microsoft. They (2) have worked flawlessly for many weeks now on Windows 8 PC that the user wanted Windows 10 on. I keep an old clunker PC around to test various items and to test booting.

The within Windows Recovery program (Win 8 & 10) expects a recovery disk set, not the originally used setup media. This is a break from the past tradition that has caused some issues and possibly yours?

Official OEM MS issued Windows 7 bootable media offers a repair/reinstall option. Windows 7/8/10 has a built in utility to make a bootable recovery 'bootup repair disk' for the user [limit of 1-2]. User is offered two options 1) a boot up environment recovery disk [fits on a CD-R] or 2) full DVD of a bit short of a full 4.7gb DVD capacity (64 bit is larger). Some OEMs block the second option and force the ordering of media.

Some Windows 7 era OEM PC's [not mentioned in this thread thus far] have a bug in this program that only allows USB and CD-R but not DVD -+ R. It always fails on 2nd disk. How useful! The disks work for a boot up environment recovery but not a full reinstall.
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Recovery/Repair is not the same as reinstall with Win10 in particular. Seems like it has always been that way for several versions, all the way back to XP.