Upgraded to Windows 10

Finally bit the bullet and upgraded Desktop

[IanCP]

Firing up the Desktop this morning I'm met with a purple ribbon across the Desktop telling me about upgrading. Being in a cavalier mood this fine, sunny late winter morning in Sydney area I thought "Yeah, why not"?

Fun, Fun, Fun...

First drama? During the installation phase [drivers] I get the BSD. This one is the "Black Screen of Death". Oh dear! Been there, done that when I upgraded from Win 8 Pro to Win 8.1 Pro - it was not a happy experience [long story]. Based upon that unhappy experience, and with fingers crossed? I switched the TV from the morning news service over to HDMI No. 2 input [PC].

Yep there's my Monitor in all its glory - the real PC Monitor is DEAD. Grrr... So I leave it to go along happily by itself, and after the driver phase is finished, the monitor comes to life. Phew eventually fixed itself with the right drivers.

Next I declined "Express Settings", and went for "Customise" - be aware that's hiding in subdued small print bottom left hand side.

Away we go again. It now tells me my Microsoft Media Centre will be disabled in Windows 10. Whoa! Accept or throw a spanner in the works? I'll bite the bullet and accept.

Anyway from then on it was plain sailing. End result when it did its final restart? The difference from say yesterday?

Same Desktop PC, apart from a minor keyboard glitch I'm aware of and can fix later...

You wouldn't even know it was Windows 10 Pro unless I told you so.

There are minor differences in File Explorer which I'm familiar with on the Win 10 Laptop. I can live with that. It substituted "The Edge" for IE 11 - I killed that off. All I have left to do is find out how to remove the pointless "Search the Web and Windows" panel consuming valuable space on my Task Bar.

IE11, FF 39.03, PaintShop Pro, Mailwasher, NoteTab Pro, Microsoft Movie Maker - they all still work - same settings, same history, same everything...

And I'm a Happy Chappy! - I'm on very good terms with myself, and I'll now update FF to 40.

I hope others enjoy my relatively painless experience.

[netmeg]

I am not experiencing that on any of the three Dell laptops I upgraded to Win10. I already had them set not to sleep before I upgraded though.

[keyplyr]

I was not experiencing any "sleep" issues either when I first upgraded to Windows10pro (from Windows7pro.) Then a week later came an update, supposedly to fix an issue where Windows 10 laptop users could *not* get it to sleep. IMO that's what caused the bug. Now I cannot keep it awake!

The M$ guy at answers.microsoft.com says for me to use regedit.exe and delete some of the registry power/sleep files. That's always fun :)

My feeling is... they broke it, they should fix it.

[tangor]

Could be the Power setting. I have it on Balanced. If this glitch continues, I may play around with a custom power setting.

For desktops I set to High Performance and NEVER for anything that spins or makes images.

You can do that on a laptop, too... just expect your battery life to be in tens of minutes, not hours. :( Though you could plug it into the wall and it will work just like a desktop.

For some reason, with balanced power set, anything over fifteen minutes is ignored and the critter will go to sleep.

[keyplyr]

I've had it on ALL settings and it still goes to sleep, sometimes right in the middle of programming when I have several editors open. I've lost various amounts of work.

This is a bug and does not affect all copies of Windows 10. Some may have some version of this issue and some may not.

Some desktop users say to manually change the registry sleep time values (in seconds) to an extremely high number and will fix the bug.

Other desktop users say this bug is the result of waking it up from sleep with anything USB (USB keyboard, USB mouse, etc) and that powering down, then rebooting and never using the sleep feature will *stop* the bug. This assumes the possibility that the OS *thinks* it is being woke via a remote device that has external settings, not supported.

Some laptopers think the sleep bug happens after waking it up with one of the keyboard strokes & that using only the Power button to sleep/wake will fix it.

I ended up using regedit deleting all folders for sleep & power time settings in the registry, rebooted and voila!

[netmeg]

Now that's an interesting concept mate. Can you briefly share with us the physical hardware set up?

Just a 1tb USB external hard drive, plus the Acronis software. With Win 8 or 10, I have to change the boot to Legacy (from UEFI) in order to boot off the Acronis CD, but then it just clones the SSD drive in the laptop to the USB drive. I change the boot back to UEFI, check the backup is readable, and bob's yer uncle.

[superclown2]

I have big problems with this 'upgrade' - firstly, how to stop anyone in my company from clicking on the 'upgrade' link, and secondly how to avoid having to switch the link off every time we start windows.

Windows 10 is riddled with security holes. Anyone in the UK who is obliged to consider data protection - in other words just about anyone in business - would be breaking the law by switching to this dog's breakfast. And the advantages of adopting it over staying with Win7 are - what?

We are being coerced by Microsoft to do what they want us to do, and not what it is in our interests to do.

[ogletree]

One problem I do have is that randomly my background will change. Most of the time it goes to a solid grey background. Sometimes it will go to an image that I used at some point in the past as the background.

[keyplyr]

Windows 10 is riddled with security holes.

If that were true, this news would be discussed everywhere on the internet. Not so.

Anyone in the UK who is obliged to consider data protection - in other words just about anyone in business - would be breaking the law by switching to this dog's breakfast.

What UK law is being broken by using Windows 10? Are you an attorney? What's a "dog's breakfast?"

And the advantages of adopting it over staying with Win7 are - what?

• At some point M$ will stop issuing security updates for Windows 7, just like all the legacy OS.
• Better support for newer protocols, apps, html & css.
• Helps to make the WWW a safer environment by replacing pirate software that has higher occurrence of vulnerability.
• Faster & more efficient OS
• It is free :)

IMO the biggest problem with upgrading is upgrading itself. Some people, me included, have a difficult time with change. It upsets our comfort zone. However, change is what the internet is all about. Unless I can embrace change, I'm condemning myself with never ending headaches working on the internet.

"He not busy being born is busy dying." - Bob Dylan

[IanCP]

@netmeg

I change the boot back to UEFI, check the backup is readable, and bob's yer uncle.

Thanks for that, I had previously exercised my mind along the lines of something similar - BUT not as sophisticated.

Thanks for the heads up.

[mcneely]

... or they don't open in the monitor I want them to ...

That's not really new .. I had the same problems with this in Windows 7. It's sort of an ongoing thing with Windows IMO.

[netmeg]

That's not really new .. I had the same problems with this in Windows 7. It's sort of an ongoing thing with Windows IMO.

I dunno; all my laptops are connected to big monitors and I never had near the problem with Win 7 or 8.

[superclown2]

@keyplr;

Torrent-style updates are perfectly secure? It is a good idea to have data in the cloud where it can be a target for every hacker in the world rather than on a secure computer? Can we really trust Microsoft to preserve our data when they can make whatever future changes to the OS on our computers that they wish, whether we want them to or not? And have you read their T&Cs? Here's just a bit .....

"We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to protect our customers or enforce the terms governing the use of the services."

No, I'm not a lawyer but a businessman with over 50 years experience in watching how what can go wrong, usually does go wrong. Like most businesses in the UK my company is subject to the Data Protection Act, under which it can be a criminal offence to negligently allow information about other people to fall into the wrong hands. So no, I will not be giving this company complete control over the data on our computer systems - to do so would be irresponsible and in breach of the law.

[keyplyr]

I wouldn't stand for it!

[tangor]

Strange oddity for me. Did the Insider thing with an older (past prime) desktop and all went well.

Today I decided to take the leap on my WORK machine from Win 7 to 10 and... and... and it all went smooth as silk EXCEPT that Win 10 and the lovely Cortana said that I had no internet, and that my WiFi was incorrectly configured.

Truly amazing as this desktop does NOT have WiFi. Could not make it see my ethernet, the router, the modem, nothing. Beat it severely about head and shoulders with wet noodle. Nada. Then spent at least nine minutes (after an hour of bah-humbug!) to find the Win 7 roll back. Once found clicked it savagely and (this is nice) about five minutes later, after a one minute reboot (SSD boot) and I am Happy Camper now.

What was strange, however, is that Win 10 during the rollback, said I might have to reinstall programs.... Didn't have to, except for one... Windows Exploring... the file manager! How Weird! A trip to the "all programs" and create shortcut solved that problem.

I might try the upgrade again at a later time as I did the custom install and might have inadvertently killed the "net" with one of the many options of DECLINE THIS PIECE OF INTRUSIVE STUFF that I set to "NO".

But not today.

[incrediBILL]

So far 3 machines upgraded to Win 10 at Chez IncrediBILL.

The most amusing was an old win 7 netbook that;s a wheezing sluggish snail of a portable machine. Took close to 12 hours to complete the process but it boots up and runs just fine. Only thing amusing me the most is how slow the new Edge browser is, it takes forever to initially load and loading web pages is very sluggish. Firefox loads and displays all my saved tabs in the same time the Edge just displays the splash screen before displaying anything else. Not like Firefox is a speed demon either as the newer versions are dragging too, just not as bad.

While I love my android phone, I'm seriously considering getting a Win 10 phone so it's truly a single platform I'm dealing with. I've actually started using my Win 10 all-in-one laptop/tablet instead of my Nexus 7. Could Win 10 be winning me over? Their voice operations and how magnifier zooming works could be the deal breaker as Android wins on voice control, reads a ton more stuff out loud. Win 10's Cortana doesn't get close to Robin, Siri, etc.

The jury is still out about the phone, but I've hardly touched my Android tablet and I used to use it a lot. Not anymore!

Only issues I've run into is Cortana crashed a couple of times requiring reboot but there was also a different issue that may have impacted Cortana, I'm trying to debug it and will let you all know what I find, if I do, slow going so far.

[keyplyr]

I'm looking into removing or at least disabling Cortana. The one Windows desktop machine I have (with the upgrade to 10) doesn't have speakers or a mic attached to it. No need, it is strictly for programming.

My other desktop machine (with speakers & mic) is a Mac Pro running Linux but dedicated to recording & audio processing (Pro Tools 10 HD DAW w/JACK for Linux)

Tablet & phone are both Android. Never played with a Windows phone, but it would have to be pretty damn significant to get me to give up my new LG G4!

[RedBar]

Only thing amusing me the most is how slow the new Edge browser is

Really! On the 3 machines I've done so far Edge is super quick, a mere click and it's there, page loading is fast too.

I'm looking into removing or at least disabling Cortana.

I've had Cortana for a while since I use Windows phones. Initially I liked it however after a few weeks I was forced to disable it, I found it intrusive, slow and it started giving me poor results. I haven't missed it.

[tangor]

Oddly enough, on the junk/retired hardware (Win7 to Win10) I used to test Win10, Edge beats the FF on my less than six months old Win7 workhorse with 250gb SSD primary. As noted above, the upgrade on the workhorse was a massive FAIL.... so will have to do a bit more research before I make that attempt again. That said....

For the thirty or so minutes I attempted to get the Win10 fail to see my ethernet and connection to the router and modem to achieve internet, I was dang impressed with the speed on "more modern hardware" compared to the already noted speed boost the older hardware had achieved.

[keyplyr]

I'm shocked at how fast Windows 10 boots up to running from scratch. It's even faster than waking it up from sleep or restarting it (at least on my machine.)

[lawman]

Overall, I'm happy with Windows 10. The one niggling complaint I had was the Solitaire situation. I didn't realize how accustomed I was to mindlessly playing the game while I talked on the phone. I found a site from which I downloaded the Windows 7 Solitaire (and other Windows 7 games) for free. The shortcut is now back on my desktop and I can now feed an addiction I did not know I had:

[mediafire.com...]

[tangor]

Didn't need to do the download,,,, the files are still there, (the games) just "deprecated". The PUSH in WIN10 is their web "service" for GAMES... which gets you into their "cloud" and sooner (or later) one shop for EVERYTHING on their MASTER COMPUTER CLOUD and you as a dumb terminal who will (wait for it) pay a monthly FEE to have YOUR STUFF in their THEIR STUFF.

But yes, Win 10 is fast, lean, and, for the most part, forgiving of all installed apps (the legal ones, the pirated apps not so lucky).

And calls home on a regular basis, and also uses YOUR bandwidth to share Win10 to others. All nifty keen. Okay?

But this is the future of computing and we will go with the flow, dragging feet for some, fully embraced by others. But we will all be there eventually.

Eventually.

[Leosghost]

But we will all be there eventually.

Those of us whose windows experience will be stopping at airgapped versions of WIn7 Ultimate..and whose online OS is and will continue to be linux ( not ubuntu ) or BSD or other unix variants and or derivatives ( not Apple ) will not be "flowing"* with you..

*Herded would be a better description IMO ;)

[tangor]

With chuckles and smiles, the Linux bunch need not replay their differences... er... reply. :)

I am linux, too, just don't shout it. But still waiting for that side of computing to catch up with MS for meaty apps that get the job done. Though, linux and open source and, with effort ill spent, get th same results.

Your flow will, of course, be different. :)

[Leosghost]

<aside ( unshouted ;) for those photographers who want "meaty apps" and thus stay with Win or apple>
Take a look at darktable..( like lightroom but FOSS ) runs on linux and mac, but not win..
might help some to break the "upgrade chains" of win systems..


I still have win7 ulti boxen, but very rarely do I actually boot them nowadays..( like maybe once a month to search for something that I archived on an HD which is is in their box ) ..even "meaty app" users have far less ( if any ) reason to use win( whatever ) than was the case a couple of years ago..
</aside ( unshouted ;) for those photographers who want "meaty apps" and thus stay with Win or apple>

[tangor]

<chuckles> softly shared silently

the aside is ... an aside of no value re: Win10 the Upgrade.

<mirth contained re: the linux crowd crowing in darkness>

Back on topic, I hope!

[mcneely]

Still no 10 on any newer boxes around here .. I've got two installs of 10 on two totally separate older boxes with mixed results. For the most part, 10 writes to nearly everything post 2005 that I throw at it. Tried it on a laptop and it was a dog .. couldn't get 10 to shut the cam and mic off - just when I thought I had it, upon reboot, boom, there was the cam and the mic all over again ...

If and when the day comes that I load 10 on anything newer, the first thing that will go will be that pesky Cortana. No signing into the cloud either. I can guard my stuff just fine thank-you-very-much. And no dear Microsoft, I'm not going to pay for any of your game apps -- I've got plenty enough of that going on with that Android of mine. At least the camera stays off on that one -

[IanCP]

Well I've ran into one hiccup, and apparently I'm not the only one with the problem.

Homegroup between Laptop and Desktop no longer works since I upgraded the Desktop.

Lots of solutions which don't work.

[IanCP]

It still comes back after Windows Network Diagnostics - Troubleshooting completed

"the remote device or resource won't accept the connection"

[keyplyr]

Minor irritant that has reoccured a couple times since upgrade - the Start Button, or whatever it's called now, intermittently doesn't respond to clicks resulting in no way to shut-down.

Workaround was to open/close a couple programs then try again. Might be the focus in Windows Explorer or might be that I use a USB wireless mouse/keyboard which has been documented to cause issues with Windows 10; supposedly being confused with a remote device but why only the Strart Button?

[netmeg]

I had some networking issues with all three laptops right after I upgraded, but there's been a couple Win updates since then and all networking problems have gone away (one machine has an ethernet connection and the other two have wifi) Still having weird issues with windows and dual monitors.