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European buyers of Windows 7 will have to download and install a web browser for themselves.
Bowing to European competition rules, Microsoft Windows 7 will ship without Internet Explorer.
The company said it would make it easy for PC makers and users to get at and install the web browsing program.
In response Brussels expressed scepticism over the move and whether it went far enough to ally accusations of it abusing its market position.
[edited by: engine at 11:48 am (utc) on June 12, 2009]
And you're wrong. Microsoft does get to choose. They could disobey the court if they choose to.Obviously, Microsoft have the option of breaking the law, it's an option they are very familiar with, but if they go down that road, it would be a mistake.
What does MS stand to gain financially from this argument?
What does MS stand to loose financially from this argument?
Clearly, the Microsoft board is suffering from collective insanity. The best case scenario of arguing with the EU Commission is that they don't loose anything. The worst case scenario could cost tens of billions. Stupidity, insanity, childish petulance, it could be any of these, but this fight does not represent sound business practice.
If Microsoft, said, "sure, we'll bundle a couple of alternative web browsers" they would look like the good guys, and it wouldn't cost them a penny, in legal fees, lost revenue or fines. This spat is as much about stupid childish petulance (by Microsoft) as anti-trust issues.
Anyways, i think EU didn't go far enough, they should outlaw IE for misleading advertising. Its support of CSS is just awful. :D
And using the law to force any company to provide a specific product is absurd. MS pretty much started in a college dorm room. Apple started in a garage. This should scare every small start-up company. Once you get too big, politicians will rub their sticky little hands, ready to reach out and grab a piece of your pie.
Like I said, if you don't agree with their tactics, buy a Mac, get a Linux machine, or write your own OS. Sounds silly? All this stuff sounded silly 30 years ago, yet here we are.
If you don't like MS, their products, ethics, whatever ... don't buy their stuff!
I develop websites for clients. Once, a client complained that i'd added all kinds of extra links to his website. It turned out that he'd downloaded an IE virus that was adding those links automatically to the websites he visited. Another client woke me up at 6 in the morning yelling at me that he was receiving some spam email once a minute and i must stop it now! It turned out he'd downloaded a virus into his Outlook program. I've got other clients who use Macs, never had such problems.
I'm implementing this one website now. It works great in Firefox, Opera, Safari, then looks like crap in IE... Even if i refuse to buy MS products, because so many others do, my work is affected by them. So telling me to "just don't buy their stuff" doesn't work.
And using the law to force any company to provide a specific product is absurd.
It's called "consumer protection". Even in the States where money is king and "government intervention" is frowned upon, there are many such rules, e.g. seatbelts in cars. In the EU, which is the context of this post, and many other countries outside EU, there are many more such laws. Not at all abusrd.
Here's the thing... Microsoft don't get to choose how to comply with anti-trust laws, they have to obey instructions, just like every other company. In other words, if the EU commission orders MS to bundle other browsers, that's what they'll have to do. MS can't unilaterally choose their own remedy. This simple fact seems to have been missed.
How about they just stop selling their OS in the UK? And they stop providing updates to their OS in the UK? No offense to the EU, but Microsoft has them by the balls if push really came to shove.
That's the power of a monopoly.
And they stop providing updates to their OS in the UKand UK users start a class action against MS for selling defective code.
You fail to understand the Microsoft ethos - MONEY. Why do you think so many people use the abbreviation M$? Granted, Microsoft also like to throw their weight around, flex their muscles, etc. but, the bottom line is that fighting the EU is never going to be profitable and money overrides everything else.
If you really think Microsoft has the power, consider this. As an anti-trust action, the EU Commission could require all computers capable of running Linux to be shipped with it (in addition to the optional Windows operating system). If users decided to save themselves about €50 by not buying Windows, that would cost Microsoft billions. Also, similar actions could be taken with respect to office software.
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Why do you think so many people use the abbreviation M$?
If Linux is a viable option for the EU, why don't they just require it now? Why go round for round with Microsoft every few years? Oh right, there's no money for the EU to make in requiring Linux to be installed. But there sure is $$$ to be made in lawsuits.
The EU is no better than Microsoft in their practices - it's just a matter of whether or not your blinded by prejudice to see it clearly.
blinded by prejudiceTake a look in the mirror.
Not to put too fine a point on it, I've taken on all-comers with logical and factual arguments and, whilst there have been some sensible comments and suggestions from people with a differing view, the puerile nature of many who believe "Europe can't be allowed to tell American businesses what to do" is just staggering. In the US, Americans make the rules but in the EU, Europeans make make the rules - get over it.
Oh, and if you think this is just about bad Europeans stealing from hard-working Americans, explain to me why British Airways was fined by US authorities for anti-trust violations. We Brits took it on the chin, we didn't gripe and moan or criticise the US authorities or behave spoilt children.
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