Forum Moderators: open
Microsoft is ready to begin consumer sales of its new Vista operating system just after midnight tonight. The software giant is putting its considerable marketing might behind the long-awaited upgrade to Windows, with appearances being made by Chairman Bill Gates and CEO Steve Ballmer.
They had a ton of vista machines there to play with even though they can't sell them yet.
I'm ready to buy my first Mac...
"Ready or Not" is right...
Why don't they just call it Vista OSX?
Microsoft should be the default entry in Wikipedia for "Innovation"... ;-)
;)
Aero is nice, but switches off every now and then, when applications (like Trillian 3.1) do not support it.
The bigger problem will be the Office 2007 Suite, where NO button is, where you expect it :)
P!
Wrong, wrong, wrong.
The Mac vs Windows GUI was heavily litigated in the US courts and Apple lost.
IE was based on NCSA Mosaic, not Netscape.
When Excel was released with a graphical user interface for the Mac, 1-2-3 was still based on a DOS character mode interface.
In regard to OSX vs Vista, lets go back to this interview [linuxfocus.org...] from 1998:
"The KDE team showed that a small group of people in one year can create an incredible desktop, that it can compete with Windows 95. When I saw Windows 95 for the first time I thought 'We are lost, we have lost the edge! We completely neglected the interface and they have beaten us up'."
Miguel de Icaza wasn't impressed about the Mac GUI, he was impressed by the Windows GUI.
Not to mention all the airline company’s … the first company put “wings” on their airplanes and “then” all the others copied the same idea. And don’t even get me started on car manufactures that copied the “wheel” from good old Henry!
I'm a Unix/PC guy myself. But lately I've grown to appreciate their (Apple's) ability to go beyond what has already been done.
I only started using XP about 18 months ago, so I guess I can wait :)
...an unprecedented loss of consumer control over their own personal computers. In the name of shielding consumers from computer viruses and protecting copyright owners from potential infringement, Vista seemingly wrestles control of the "user experience" from the user...
It's simply too early for this type of assumptions.
A valid assumption is the OEMs will use all their marketing skills to convince "Joe Average" to upgrade or to buy a new system. Dell, Gateway, HP and the others will be busy sending e-mails to their current clients with offers to upgrade their machines.
The price of the basic upgrade version of Vista is quite accessible. The price of RAM is quite low these days. And machines sold since 2001 make it quite easy to replace memory cards.
Perhaps it might be a slow transition if Microsoft was on its own. However, there are too many players involved in this OS launch. Hence, the transition could occur faster than you think.
… for example?
With Microsoft I use for free,
.net 2.0 framework – tell me what this framework doesn’t have and I’ll point you to .net 3.0 beta.
Visual Basic or C# … or for that matter F#
Open source? – Dotnetnuke and thousands of other efforts ignored by people like maximillianos, despite the nose on their face.
Free software? – From programming, to database, to web design software – all free. A long, long list of completely free programs with actual help via video, web sites and professional books. Not to mention, help for newbie’s without the attitude of the typical Linux God. Basically that is what separates these types of people from the light ... just a simple misdirected God complex.
And all of the above currently kills Java for cross platform development.
Perl - don’t know much about Perl, but I’m sure my Grandfather can help you out.
PHP – which branch of this tree do you want to climb today?
Python – Great language but Zope took the lead and flopped. Google still makes use of it and so can you, within Windows.
Ajax – have you looked at what Microsoft is giving away in regards to this technique? Name another web site that has as many free tools or free useful enterprise level downloadable software in this area.
Prices for the OS in the UK range from about £100 for an upgrade version of the Basic package to £249 for a copy of the upgrade to the Ultimate version of Vista.In the US prices start from $100 (£52) for an upgrade of Vista Home basic to $249 (£127) for the equivelant Ultimate version
Interesting start - Some 20 odd device managers and programs were "not compatible with Vista". Including the computer's monitor and several MICROSOFT device drivers! ... ahem... I think you'll find that it is VISTA that is not compatible with our programs, not the other way around.
My only wish is that they have integrated a "Remove All Toys" button until then.
It took me at least one or two hours until I figured out how to switch off all the rubish and the distracting graphics I don't need when I got Windows XP.
If they would sell an edition of Vista without "Aero" for less money, perhaps I would even consider upgrading today.
If they would sell an edition of Vista without "Aero" for less money, perhaps I would even consider upgrading today
You should consider upgrading today then. Check out the Home Basic version of Vista, and you're getting what you're asking for.
[youtube.com...]
And it's a system hog, apparently.
Well, of course it is. How else is Intel going to stay in business?
