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Best Link Exchange "meeting" site

Not software or program related

         

johnnydequino

8:57 pm on Aug 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Is there such a site, not software related (Zeus, etc) or program related (Linkpartners) that allows webmasters to exchange links with like partners?

Sort of like a middleman site without posting links or buying anything?

jd

johnnydequino

10:12 pm on Aug 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Well - looks like others share the same thought process as me.

I would more be more than happy to be an editor for free. I am pretty picky though. =) Let's get this site a-rocking.

jd

johnnydequino

10:16 pm on Aug 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The only thing I would I is I think it's a bad idea to categorize sites by page rank. I would link to another site in a heartbeat if it had a 0 page rank with quality content. Changes are it could be a new site, and when PR gets factored in you could be richly rewarded.

jd

netcommr

11:16 pm on Aug 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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how about ading a seperate section to this which allowed you to place a listing for available locations to put links on.

utilities for checking on links aquired from this site may be nice, but should be an option for both parties to opt in & out.

bad idea to categorize sites by page rank
I would think the best way to go here is PR is never used in the software at all. Only to be mentioned in reference to Google, as in a reference section pertaining to all search engines. Maybe search engines should not even be a topic on the site at all. Maybe focus on the marketing aspect, as how to write a good ad, who is good to link to, why link with competition, how to create market partners and pro/cons behind it, etc.

...that just screams "penalise me"
what I am thinking of does not violate any terms of service anywhere, this is not a factor. Get PR off the thinking here. This is about much more than just a link for a small aspect of marketing. I have, in the past recieve a huge amount of traffic through links, and very good traffic (better roi). What about branding/exposure aspects. What about making some good bucks off your best real estate from browsing through a directory like this and finding the right site.

more professional and for the professional
exactly!

netcommr

10:07 am on Aug 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I did a little research/hunting on what was out there already.

not much. Nothing comes close to filling this need.

Found about 10 with sites that come close to this idea.
A couple of them are even worth looking at, but not much more than directory listing.
1 site actually gave some hint to the intent of the listing.
0 sites which showed the advertisement or link in advance.
0 sites had any privacy or anonymity

100's of on-site recip programs
100's of crap ffa pages and backends

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some notes / ideas I had while doing this

--need to categorize other valuable/similar sites, only quality here
--need also to review all links programs and show notes about good and bad ffas, scams, etc.
--place for resources and protection/information from fraud

if you want to see the short list I made, just sticky me

killroy

10:41 am on Aug 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

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wjen I mentioned PR it was not to say anything about the page. All Iwanted to do is categorize wqhat type of linking folks do. And the truth is, I've seen many links pages out there that explicitely say they only exchange with PR5 or better sites.

But that's really jsut an idea, nothing more.

I think I'll set up a sample system on a dynamic domain for now so we can bounce some ideas off...

I'll get coding monday morning if you don't mind ;)

SN

mil2k

12:12 pm on Aug 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I could not agree more with netcommr's points. Keep PR out of it. SearchKing issue is still fresh in my mind. Even better policy would be to not mention Google at all on the site. Just "search engines". Make sure that the programming is done in a way that automated bots cannot run riot by harvesting domain names or email ids from member posts ;)

netcommr

12:36 pm on Aug 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

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good points

I would keep all domains and 'real people' hidden from bots and public as well, many real players won't like to display their marketing habits...

emails should be hidden from all but who entered it(for editing)

explicitely say they only exchange with PRx or better sites

I would think we don't put this as against our terms of service, but make sure it stays between the parties agreement and the site is not involved, thats between them. The system should not be searchable in any way related to Google's PR or other engine specifics so we stay in compliance and avoid any violations ourselves. But, we have no way to enfore anything. If a user opens up a potential linking page and looks at his toolbar, we have no way of knowing, or if it factored into his descision.

killroy

9:59 pm on Aug 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Well I believe it would make sense to make it (free) subscription only. Keep casual browsers and searchengines out.

It's probably best to flaunt it as a sort of insider area. Might get it started by finding some link exchange pages and addign them.

Prehaps best to keep it all anonymous with site descriptions and linking conditions only.

this site would then have the task of reviewing pages for quality and ensuring compliance with the linking terms.

SN

mistah

10:45 am on Sep 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Sounds interesting to me. I may even be persuaded to pay a small sum for such a service.

DarkFriend

1:42 pm on Sep 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have used Linkpartners.com very sucessfully. It is totally organized by category, it filters out adult sites, and has editors like DMOZ to review each website listed to ensure the junk sites don't appear. Oh, and its free! There are no "quality" rankings for each site listed. This is good, as I can visit the site and determine if it is relevant and if I want to initiate a link swap.

Trisha

5:34 pm on Sep 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If you get this site running, I would be interested in using it. It can take an enormous amount of time to find sites to exchange links with. Then a large percent of the time when you do find a good site either they don't have a links page or there is no way to contact them.

Like others, I don't think there should be any mention of PR at all. The last thing you would want is for Google to have a problem with the site. I would emphasize that you can get traffic from relevant links.

If links to the involved sites are included on the site I don't think any PR should be able to be given to them. You don't want people signing up just to get their site listed and get PR from that with no intention of exchanging links with legitimate sites.

If there is something I can do to help, let me know.

Macro

7:24 pm on Sep 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have used Linkpartners.com very sucessfully
I personally never liked it. Some sites don't even have their own links pages... they host their links page on linkpartners! Others will link to you from a PR0 page that is 45 clicks into their site (I exaggerate, but you get the picture).

I think you guys are onto a great idea in this thread. I wish I had the coding skills to help, but I don't. However, I would certainly pay for a quality "link introduction" sevice. And I may have some time to be a moderator/editor.

I agree that keeping PR out of the equation is wise. Apart from upsetting the big G, you never know what's around the corner, including replacing of PR with a Mark II version that works substantially differently.

The millions of SEO companies out there that are selling half baked services to the gullible (excluding the good SEOs, of course) would jump at a facility to improve client's popularity for a small price. "I personally identified and contacted 2000 sites, 300 of whom now link to you. That'll be £3,000 please"

Keeping Google from listing the site may actually prove to be more useful than being listed ;-)

SMXwebcrawler

10:57 pm on Sep 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yeah Google give us PR10 and number 1 on all related Adwords for free or we will block you :D

Wishfull thinking maybe.

S

SlowMove

11:17 pm on Sep 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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A few similar sites at dmoz [dmoz.org].

SMXwebcrawler

11:20 pm on Sep 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I opened that link and the first selection of words I saw was "free for all links" and "viral marketing".

This is basically the reason this would be good to setup because there would be none of that in it and being edited and totally / a retentivly modded would mean none of the bad stuff would happen.

S

Newtronic

11:34 pm on Sep 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I would like to participate. Perhaps as quality control, or testing?

Thanks,

Knox

killroy

12:07 am on Sep 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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When this getsoff the ground, we need lots of human editors.

It'll rise and fall on the editors, and organising the editing will be the largest programming task as well.

Basically we want to have a copy of DMOZ with ONLY those sites with quality link exchange mechanisms and strategies in place.

SN

farside847

7:45 pm on Sep 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I now find myself checking this thread every day for
new information, or a beta site ;)

I too, would beta test.

SMXwebcrawler

7:54 pm on Sep 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Ahh the worlds best kept secret.

New developments are that there are no new developments. We are basically at the moment discussing how it is going to work and who can do what.

Where you may ask?!? Well thats a secret but I can tell you that we dont have the faintest idea about anything at the moment although the ideas being bashed around are quite constructive.

Basically the site will be like a directory where the sites are moderated and therefore vetted before they are allowed into the system. All exchanges will be moderated as well so nobody contacts everyone and asks them as that would be FFA spam stuff and that is what we are desperate to avoid.

The site is going to have lots of information for newbs etc so dont worry one and all.

S

SlyOldDog

11:12 am on Sep 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I might be interested in paying more than a little if I could find relevant sites that want to do proper exchanges or one way links where we write content for each other and make proper contextual links from relevant places within our sites.

This is what is missing for me on the net.

Perplexed

11:35 am on Sep 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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As per my earlier posts.... I am also working on something but coming from ( or going in ) a slightly different direction.

webpundit

2:28 pm on Sep 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Don't know if this is a precocious suggestion, but if this fantastic site is going to indeed be created, perhaps you should start recruiting volunteer editors. If you set up a sign up form or something, I'm more than sure that there are scores at WebMasterWorld alone who would be willing to do this (myself DEFINITELY included!) for free :)

Searching for links is a tedious task, and something like this site would revolutionalize the link development process, and completely legitimately too!

I wait with bated breath.

Oaf357

4:46 pm on Sep 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Count me in.

dsmmg

9:31 pm on Sep 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Me too... Sticky mail when needed and I'll come out to play!

DS

seeber01

11:13 pm on Sep 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I just went through all the posts and find the concept interesting and much needed. I would be happy to participate in the finished product, as well as help in any way I can to get it off the ground and keep it running. I would enjoy being an editor for free as well.

I particularly like SlyOldDog's idea

where we write content for each other and make proper contextual links from relevant places within our sites

I have already offered to write original, quality content geared to sites that wish to exchange with my site.

Debs

Tupur

5:40 am on Sep 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Great idea. Would save time. Do you need an editor? I am available.

netcommr

12:12 pm on Sep 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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seeber01, I see you read with both eyes open... ;)

SMXwebcrawler

6:56 pm on Sep 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Lots to be decided and lots to be done and therefore things may kick off somewhat slowly but I think it will be worth the time effect sweat and tears in the end. From the response of everyone here it seems like this could be something good and beneficail for the community and thats what we like.

More news will be posted from time to time so flag the thread and keep your eyes peeled.

S

aus_dave

6:08 am on Sep 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Flagged this thread, thought about this idea a few days ago and wondered why it hadn't been done :).

Maybe a dedicated forum-based site might work, as it would provide the necessary human interaction between members that a link directory wouldn't.

synergy

6:04 pm on Sep 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Count me in :D
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