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Avoid short common words in titles?

         

silverbytes

4:47 am on Jun 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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What is more effective?

"Diseño de páginas web"
"Diseño páginas web"

since 'de' is ignored word (the same as 'of') should I use it in 2nd position on my title... in the other hand everybody says 'diseño de páginas web' so I think is a natural key search...

Opinions?

peewhy

5:44 am on Jun 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Go for grammar, stop words are ignored by search engines.

pageoneresults

7:46 am on Jun 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Keep in mind that there are filter words [webmasterworld.com] and stop words [webmasterworld.com]. They are two different things.

What silverbytes refers to are filtered words. Google may say that they ignore these words but, try searching using both instances. You'll notice that the results are different. In some cases it might be a few positions, in others it could be a few pages, or even deeper. It has been confirmed that proximity plays a role in all of this.

I'd say experiment with different variations where possible. If you have any historical stats, then I'd be looking to see the percentage of searches with and without filtered words.

Monkscuba

10:15 am on Jun 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Another thing is that SE's only index a certain number of characters in your title, so words like "de" "of" "the" "and" "to" etc.. mean that you can't fit so many keywords into the title.

Argument 1 - Fit more keywords in the title, then you are more likely to come up in a variety of searches, but the title will not read well.

Argument 2 - Title reads better, but less keywords.

Will people be more likely to click on a title that reads well, or do people just click on titles with the right words in?

In you case, keeping the "de" means you are more likely to come higher in the SERP's for "diseño de páginas web". The trouble is do people really type how they speak?

Our site has a similar title, a kind of "widgets in location" title and we do better for searches containing the "in", but I know there are more searches done without the "in", even though that would not be good spoken English. People tend to search in shorthand and often miss out those little words, assuming the results will be the same.

SlowMove

10:23 am on Jun 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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From a Google search:
"in" is a very common word and was not included in your search

We've all seen this, but searching with or without the "in" or a similar word will often bring up very different SERPS. I understand that the engines don't index these words, but if the words were not included in the search, why the differences?

peewhy

10:26 am on Jun 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I think geographical based searches seem to drop the 'in'. Example: 'Widgets, Chipping Sodbury'.

The exception is AJ, I've seem some excellent requests, the only thing they seem to omit is a greetng to Jeeves.

Example, "where can I find a shop that sells widgets within a two and a half mile radius of my mum's house"

Okay, not that bad but close enough!

Mohamed_E

10:41 am on Jun 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Let me stress the importance of a title that reads well. I am pretty sure that most people are more likely to click on a title that is a coherent phrase than on a random collection of keywords.

People buy stuff from your site, Google does not. SERPs are a means, not an end!

peewhy

10:47 am on Jun 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm with Mohamed_E, as I said before -
Go for grammar

peewhy

10:49 am on Jun 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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... the other argument of course is that if the search engines don't pick you up, customers can't find you ... then good grammar is of little use!

Feather or oval?

silverbytes

4:05 pm on Jun 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If search engines ignore filter workds like 'de' I would be wasting title characters using them, I'm sure not much people types with quotes in search fields "diseño de páginas web", most of them will type:
diseño de páginas web, then google will ignore 'de' so why should I keep it in title?

Users will read "Diseño páginas web" but what difference makes? We just want visits..

pageoneresults

4:39 pm on Jun 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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silverbytes, the easiest way to determine what would be the best title for you to target is to perform a few searches at your favorite SE. Pay close attention to the titles. Are they using the de or are they not? The main thing here is the targeted phrase. Many will use filter words in their search because they are not search saavy or they realize that using that phrase will return more relevant results.

You do not have to use exact match searches. Perform the experiment I outlined above. Knowing your audience and their search habits will determine how you format your titles.

Adding three characters (the space and de) is not going to have a negative impact on your title relevance unless of course you are at the maximum number of characters that an SE will spider in the <title> element. If that is the case, then a process of elmination is in order. At that time, you may decide to remove filter words to trim down character count.