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One site two major keyword phrases.

Keyword density of two major search terms in optimization of one site.

         

bsand715

4:55 pm on Aug 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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When setting up a site and the major search pharses are related but used sparative in searches, being about equal, Example: blue widgets and red widgets. Is it possible in keyword density to use effectivly a combination (red blue widgets)in url-title-description-content etc.and have the terms carry their own weight.
If so how would you use the terms? Separate with hyphens or other? (red-blue widgets) (red blue widgets) (redbluewidgets)?
In keyword metas,if it still matters,how would you list keywords to keep from looking like spam when both blue and red widgets share the same words. Example: blue widget wet, red widget wet, BW dry, RW dry etc.
Or do just build two separate sites and dodge duplicate content to SE's.

agerhart

1:56 pm on Aug 19, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Whether or not you build another site depends on two large factors:

1) Do you have enough content for each keyword and topic to support this domain?

If the answer to question to #1 is Yes, then I would suggest that you build out another site to focus soley on this keyword. The more targeted your are the better.

2) How competitive are the keywords?

If the keywords are highly competitive than you will have to build out another site to target each keyword seperately as you will be competing with many other sites that will be targeting that one keyword as their main focus. If the keywords are not highly competitive than it becomes feasible to effectively optimize for the two keyword variations within the same site.

If you were going to target "blue widgets" and "red widgets", you would need to use these words in the copy, title, and everywhere else exactly as they are displayed, as word order comes into play. For ranking under keyword variations it is always good to mix up the keyword phrases occasionally, but you need to keep them in their original form in more instances.

As for the Meta Keywords tag, this can become tricky as you need to have both sets (blue and red) in for each keyword target. Instead of having your Meta Keywords tag look like this:

<meta name="keywords" content="blue widgets,red widgets,wet blue widgets,wet red widgets,dry blue widgets,dry red widgets,tall blue widgets,tall red widgets">

....you should have different pages for each. Have a page that targets the "dry" keywords, one for the "wet keywords, one for the "tall" keywords, etc.

bsand715

8:38 pm on Aug 19, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Thanks agerhart for the feedback. These are highly competive pharses so building another site would be apporiate which brings up another question of linking to each other.I understand that linking to your own related sites may not be apporiate from googles stand point is this correct? Also these sites will share content.The current red-blue-widget site has been picked up by google but not ranked well would building the extra pages, redwidget wet and bluewidget wet etc. and linking to the front page work or would this be considered doorways? As you can tell I am new to web commerce.And the knowledge I have gained has been from WebmasterWorld and those who share their time and experience.
Thanks to all.

agerhart

8:44 pm on Aug 19, 2002 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



Cross-linking your sites is a touchy subject, and everyone has their own opinions on if it causes penalties or not. Some people get away with it and some people claim to have been penalized by cross linking their sites. It depends how you cross link and how much you cross link. If you had two totally seperate websites, I would cross link sparingly, if at all, and blend the links in with the site and content.

One option that you may want to look into is sub-domains. For your goals, this may be one of the better options to run with. You could then the sites set up as follows:

- root website - widgets.com
- subdomain 1 - blue.widgets.com
- subdomain 2 - red.widgets.com

You could then interlink these with no problem as they are viewed as part of the root, but in most cases are treated as seperate sites.

thejenn

3:45 pm on Aug 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I've always thought that you can gain the same ranking advantages by using sub directories (ala www.yoursite.com/redwidget/ and www.yoursite.com/bluewidget) that you would be building totally separate sites.

Now that said, here are the reasons that I discourage folks from using multiple sites.

1.) You have to put the time and expense into building, maintaining and hosting two separate sites. This means that you have to make MORE money to meet your initial costs...puts you at a disadvantage from the beginning.

2.) You run the risk of being identified as a spammer by some of the engines and directories. If you sell blue widgets on Site A and red widgets on Site B, it's highly likely that directories like DMOZ and Yahoo will now allow both sites to be listed. (This will depend on how different the content is.)

3.) You are suddenly spreading any link popularity between two different sites. Thus...it takes more time and more effort to build up a strong page rank. This can have an impact on Google rankings, which in turn impacts your overall traffic. If you have ONE site, you put in less effort to gain more PR rewards.

4.) Branding. If you have two sites, the folks that shop at site A, might not recognize you as being the same people at Site B. It's the reason that McDonalds doesn't name every store something different. They want you to recognize them as a leader in their market. They want you to be comfortable and familiar with them.

5.) Upselling and Cross selling. If you have two sites with slightly different offerings...your customers may not realize your full listing of services. Let's say that you are a bank. You offer mortgages. You also offering personal financial investment serviecs. If you build a separate site for each of these services, the individual that comes to you for her mortgage may not realize that you also offer personal financial investment services. Even though she LOVED the service she got on her mortgage and would be happy to give you her financial investment business...she simply doesn't realize that you offer that service...so she starts her search from scratch and ends up at a competitor.

To sum it up? Multiple sites for the same company with slightly different offerings often leads to quiet a bit more work, with not as much result.