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Can you 'steal' Javascript?

Client wants to take his website back, without telling the host

         

thalwilerin

7:39 am on Feb 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I know just enough HTML to do basic sites, normally I focus more on marketing. So I am probably in over my head here. But here's the story:

The client has a website designed and hosted by another company. They are having a disagreement. He wants me to just download the whole site - "save as" - and then he'll bring it to a new host.

There's a lot of JS scripting in the site, when I tried to open it from my desktop, lots of stuff didn't work. Should I tell him to make up with his original hosting/design company and have them talk directly to the new company?

orion_rus

8:47 am on Feb 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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)) hmm i think better not starting war between them, and if it's a simple javascript. make it with your own hands. we can help you with it. If you steal it, they can court on you.
Better realize it with your own hands. It's rather simple

SpaceFrog

9:10 am on Feb 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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you would have to retrace and download all external files.
search for <script src="...
or <link ... > tags

look up all the scripts to see if there are any copyright mentions in them...
if so you would them have to understand what each script does and you would have to rebuild them.

thalwilerin

9:33 am on Feb 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Ah, I see. I am really not a coder. yikes.

but from your replies, I get there are really two questions. Legal and technical.

1. Who owns the code - and where is the line drawn? As in, the client wrote all the copy, so that's clearly his, but what about the the look and feel of the site? And particularly, the code behind the site?

2. Is it possible to get to all the code without the permission/help of the current host?

Answer 1: well I guess it depends on the contracts my client has with the other company.

Answer 2: I think you guys are saying yes? but I'm not sure that I'm up to it. You make it sound easy, but is it?

qazwer

10:08 am on Feb 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It is not that easy if you do not understand js at all. Guess it all depends on how complex the code is. There might also be server side code involved. But as SpaceFrog said "see if there are any copyright mentions in them" by opening the downloaded script through a text editor (e.g. notepad or some other editor). BTW lots of people put copyright mentions in ripped forum or website scripts (I recognized a lot of really nice scripts in my quest so far ripped by others with added copyright notices, yep a said thing) so it is more like can you get a copyright on the color green and blue etc. remember this is an object oriented language. So it is made up of already working bits and pieces. Who owns object copyright.

kaled

10:59 am on Feb 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Unless continued hosting was part of the deal with respect to design, your clients should own the copyright - I presume they paid for it.

If the scripts are located in the client's domain, your clients should be able to relocate them without breaching copyright. That applies to server-side and client-side scripts.

The host should have no part in the copyright argument. The designers may - you'll just have to check the contract. The fact that the host and designers are the same is largely irrelevant.

Kaled.

thalwilerin

11:19 am on Feb 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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yes, there is copyright info in the source, but I'm thinking it does belong to the guy who paid for it.
And the scripts seem simple, it isn't a complicated site. but I only know enough to know what I don't know, you know? :-)

I haven't actually talked to the client directly, I'm freelancing for an agency, so everything I know so far is from their sales guy, so the whole thing is questionable. I'm going to try and wiggle out of it as much as possible.

One last ques - since you all probably don't want to teach me java 101 here, can anyone recomend a good site where I can learn enough to get into trouble?

qazwer

11:26 am on Feb 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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1 - [w3schools.com...]
2 - [webreference.com...]
3 - [tech.irt.org...]

These should get you started. Good luck!

orion_rus

11:50 am on Feb 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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We can do much better) Try to describe us a javascript treaks placed on site. And we can get you a links with such (may be even better) javascript code)
or simple give us a link to his site and we see that he has)
Good luck to you

thalwilerin

12:51 pm on Feb 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Thanks orion, I know you all could help, I just realized that I need to get some basic knowledge before I waste everyone's time.

At first I just wanted to know what was possible, before I wasted my own time trying to figure it out.

Anyway, it's a just freelance job that is creeping in scope beyond my powers...but I'm always willing to learn. I'll post again when I have figured out the specific js problem to ask...

orion_rus

1:05 pm on Feb 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It's ok. No problem). Javascript now have many different opportunities from simple menus to anything that you want. Just ask and we can help you to move in the right direction
Good luck to you

SpaceFrog

1:34 pm on Feb 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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way to go thal ;-)

orion_rus

3:46 pm on Feb 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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thal? what is it?