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Dreamweaver MX preview

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caine

10:24 pm on May 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Just downloaded the preview for a nose. 50mb <13 mins. (dial-up i don't think so).

I'm impressed, basically all the hidden or alternate page functions are in your face, i like it. I think it would be a little overbearing on a 800*600 resolution, but at 1600*1200, its just right, sitemap, objects, properties, all on the design page, though i have'nt done any serious investigation, i noticed while opera was downloading it that there was a heck of a lot of ASP.net, MYsql, Coldfusion, things downloading, so it makes me think that MM are pushing this product as a front door to some serious highend design software. well my preview runs out on the 6.8.2002, so i better get into to it > mmm!

how should i read that 6th of August or 8th of June.

mivox

10:28 pm on May 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

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8th of June. They're Americans... we do everything backwards, and only offer 30 day trials as a national standard. ;)

Been hearing good things about all their MX products, but I'm thinking I should wait until this whole hubub with Adobe and Macomedia suing each other back and forth mess dies down before I consider switching allegiance from Adobe...

dk01

10:37 pm on May 9, 2002 (gmt 0)



ASP and mySQL just doesn't sound like a match. I wish someone would do something like Dreamweaver MX for php and mysql! I have tried Flash MX and wasn't too interested. I tried using Dreamweaver UltraDev but ended up using it mostly the same as I would use Dreamweaver 4. The one thing I did like was the JS and ASP code highlighting.
-dk

caine

10:43 pm on May 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

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dk01,

Its alot more server-side orientated than DW4, with alot more toys and addons.

heck of alot of MYsql, ASP, and everything else the download was quick and i ain't had the time to get into to yet. ASP and MYsql are not a match at all, but i think MM are covering the basic's so if the populus of web designers swings to a particular angle, i.e. proprietry or to open source, then DW-MX is still a valuable resource.

Download it and see what you think

txbakers

10:51 pm on May 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I heard that the goal of MX is to make Macromedia a leaader in the coming web services arena.

And what's wrong with mySQL and ASP? It works for me.

But yes, I rarely use the coding functions any more within DW, mostly for layout of tables. That's a pain by hand.

jatar_k

11:27 pm on May 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Went to a flash MX seminar a couple of weeks ago and that was pretty much what they told us. The MX bundle will provide a full web solution.

They pretty much want to run the show, force people to use coldfusion instead of asp, php, perl etc. They talked a lot about dynamic web sites and pushing the fact that the MX studio will do everything, ftp, images, flash, dynamic pages, serve them et al.

Was interesting, they were telling us about all of the MX products and they weren't even released yet.

caine

11:48 pm on May 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Has macromedia come up with a price for the MX studio, and does it include flash, fireworks and coldfusion

jatar_k

11:52 pm on May 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

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just go to macromedia.com, studio includes dreamweaver, flash, fireworks, freehand and coldfusion.

They don't have a price yet that I can find, they don't seem to be shipping it yet.

chiyo

12:01 am on May 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

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looks like the MS model. Subtly try to push users to proprietary solutions.

Especially novice designers using a visual editing interface.

Im not expert enough to know whether CF or PHP is best. I guess its largely a matter of opinion and fairly subjective, and depends on how each integrates with what you have already.

PHP and Perl seems to be able to do all we want re dynamic pages, and there is a LOT of support and community freely avaialble on the Net compared to ASP/CF. However i have noticed that more public domain scripts and support for CF has increased markedly in the last 6 to 12 months.

All i know is that if we want to use CF, our web host adds on a considerable amount for hosting every month!

So not only do we have to pay quite a large amount for dreamweaver software compared to our humble NoteTab Pro but if we want to have all the bells and whistles we will have to be investing in CF etc as well.

caine

12:05 am on May 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

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mmm!

i can't really see myself going down the proprietry route, i am slowly when i have time trying to get away from it.

Though i am starting to run in DW MX, and slowly getting a feel for it, visually alot easier to use, but not that much different than 4. I am surprised they are throwing in Freehand into the studio!

lorax

12:30 am on May 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I've been holding off on downloading. I've been a faithful DW user for the past few years - signed up back when Drumbeat was purchased and turned into DW Ultradev. I've done the CF thing and much prefer PHP over it. And at $3500 (give or take) per server for CF it's easy to understand why your host charges you more for the service.

But DW does have some very nice features which Nusphere (my PHP coder) doesn't - like a WYSIWYG interface for one. How I wish MM would realize what they're missing out on by not fully supporting PHP.

But the fact remains, I am hearing very good things about MX which is tempting me.

SmallTime

12:53 am on May 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Dreamweaver MX supports MySQL, has instructions and sample site for setting up a PHP site, so they are not ignoring it.

The big push on this release, as far as I can tell was xhtml and making it standards compliant. Zeldman, etc seem pretty happy with it, so I don't think they are getting too proprietary on us. Flash may have a little different agenda than Dreamweaver, as it is attractive for a particular kind of web design.

I've put together a couple small sites with MX, - lots of useful new features, including the ability to customize all the code snippets and defaults. I like it, and I also like whipping out textpad - whatever is easiest and fastest.