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Apple Inc. launched a version of its Safari Web browser for Windows-based PCs on Monday, pitting it against Microsoft Corp.'s Internet Explorer and Mozilla's Firefox."What we've got here is the most innovative browser in the world and the most powerful browser in the world," said Apple CEO Steve Jobs said during his keynote speech at the company's Worldwide Developers Conference.
Safari, which was released a few years ago for Apple's Macintosh computers, has captured about 5 percent of the world's market share for Internet browsers with more than 18 million users, Jobs said.
Did anyone install that Apple Update software? What's that?
It's the same type of update tool I've seen on OSX - when you run it, it looks for the latest version of any Apple software you have installed and suggests updates - it also suggests I add stuff I don't have installed, like iTunes.
It doesn't display bold text on my system (others have the same problem)
AFAIK, that's the same as the no text at all problem, only it's now down to specific system fonts, it likely means the fonts.plist file does not have the specific (Arial is used in home page titles) font mapped properly in its keys.
<key>Arial</key>
<string>C:\WINDOWS\Fonts\arial.ttf</string>hmm.. if only Brett used CSS and offered more than one system choice.... ;)
AFAIK, that's the same as the no text at all problem, only it's now down to specific system fonts, it likely means the fonts.plist file does not have the specific (Arial is used in home page titles) font mapped properly in its keys.
Unfortunately, Safari prompts me for login information for my office's proxy server every time I try to access a site. When I enter the information, Safari immediately crashes. Every time. So, so much for that!
Why would Apple release another product for the PC though? After some thought on this there could be many reasons. One of which I think is for setting a standard with their browser. For quite some time Mac users have been excluded with sites due to compatibility and such. If they can take marketshare then people in general will take the browser more seriously.
Or apple just wants to take over the world.
I was close to breaking down and buying a cheap mac for just website testing. Looks like Steve lost a sale!
I had a couple members of my sites having problems with one of my sites and I thought it was due to their browser being Safari. Now I can safely rule it out or spot the real issue.
What percentage of Mac users actually use Safari?
About two in three.
We were just talking about this on a Mac Webmaster thread [webmasterworld.com].
I ended up saying au revoir to bon jour based on Apple's description.
I do like the way it renders a page. Very nice.
I wonder if they will follow Opera's footsteps and offer a mobile version of the browser?
I wonder if they will follow Opera's footsteps and offer a mobile version of the browser?
Safari will come installed on the iPhone. And Safari for Windows will allow PC developers to create Dashboard widget applications for iPhone.
[apple.com ]
I suspect they were weighing the pros and cons of releasing Safari for Windows for some time, and that the iPhone tipped the scales easily.
"It's too bad that MS stopped supporting IE for the Mac"I wasn't too unhappy, it was pretty hellish in terms of compatibility. Safari was a step up, definitely.
I meant it's too bad because it make cross-browser website testing more difficult. Also it's nice to have the option to use IE for those sites that still require it (though luckily the number is shrinking).
I'm happy that Apple is doing this, but I hope they get it right by the time it leaves beta.
Wow. I had it running for an entire 47 seconds! Went to my Chinese site and it crashed.
just doesn't seem to have any asian encoding done. not a single korean site I went to worked. :/ almost all text is just missing. +_+
they just call it an ENGLISH version beta... it's like sub-alpha for korean (and I assume Chinese).
With this sort of stability I wouldn't consider using this browser for anything more than site testing.
My two all time most hated peices of software are: QuickTime, and Itunes. So I was expecting Safari to be a system dominating, registry hacking, in-your-face[/]i, classic Apple [i]getting hassled by the man bloatware. It's not too bad actually. I doubt I will ever use it for anything but site checkes, but it was relatively painless to install and use.
Some of these criticisms are of the "it's not the same as everything I'm used to" variety and, hey, I think it's pretty cool for a piece of software to have that effect. I'd rather have something come along that tries to be different (even if I don't personally like it's approach) than get a clone of everything that already exists. (Oooooh, this browser puts the home button before the print button, blah.) I find it curious to read the observations of non-Mac new Safari users because of how inherent some of the features are to a Mac user. (Case in point, the maximize button.)
Let's not forget that our behaviors are probably two sigma away from the "normal" web browsing population. The success or failure of this product will do more with the experience of the millions of non-webmasters than the impossible-to-reproduce quirks that a handful of webmasters with souped-up, hax0red systems experience. I'm not claiming the issues aren't real, only that most users won't be having the same problems.
Finally, it seems like about half these comments could have occurred in any tech thread on the internet. A discussion of the implications of this browser release to us as professional webmasters is more what I was expecting. Now that we've played with our shiny new toy, how might it affect our work?
and yup, seemed significantly faster than IE and even FF.
otherwise.... me still sticks with maxthon. :)
[edited by: GrendelKhan_TSU at 5:48 am (utc) on June 14, 2007]
I don't know what the spider icon is for, so I pressed it and Safari froze.
I installed it on a 2nd machine which showed a top menu (I saw a font used) but then it crashed completely. I cannot open it at all on that machine.
This is a very poor release that will only do harm to Apple's reputation.
Now does anyone know if they've got iTunes 7.2 to work on XP yet? (That crashes on load too.)
Now does anyone know if they've got iTunes 7.2 to work on XP yet
Works just fine for me.
Personally I haven't liked Apple's software at all. The macs themselves I haven't had problems with much though (although I've hardly used them). I wonder what I'll think of Safari.
[edited by: Xapti at 8:21 pm (utc) on June 14, 2007]
A swiss news site reported about the update and 1mio downloads within 48 hours. Wondering how many #*$!'#*$!'s of downloaders deleted this piece of @#ç% within the first hour again...still disappointed.
Is it true that Apple released an Update Thursday?
3.0.1 is out - you can get it via the Apple Software Update tool (optional item during the Safari install) or from the Safari download site:
[apple.com...]
I suspect they were weighing the pros and cons of releasing Safari for Windows for some time, and that the iPhone tipped the scales easily.
I seen an iPhone commercial for the first time last night. I think your suspicions may be justified, timster.
