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Brett_Tabke

3:36 am on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Updated itself to 1.63...(not sure when [toolbar.google.com...] )

You can find a couple somewhat new features under toolbar options and then clicking on experimental features. Most of these have been seen before:

  • A combined "search button" (not sure what that does - looks the same to me).
  • An ONunLOAD js killer. Usually stops popups or popunders.
  • Next Previous buttons to step through search results. (most of us have had that one for awhile though)
  • After installing, you are presented with a link to this page:
    [toolbar.google.com...]

Selected Toolbar Threads:
Toolbar UnLoad Option [webmasterworld.com]
New Toolbar: Experimental features [webmasterworld.com]
Hidden Distributed Search Function in Google Toolbar [webmasterworld.com]
Distributed Search Function in new Google Toolbar [webmasterworld.com]
Funny thing about Google toolbar voting feature [webmasterworld.com]
Google toolbar Hidden features [webmasterworld.com]
Google Toolbar Checksum url algo [webmasterworld.com]
Google Toolbar Beta Vote function [webmasterworld.com]
Hidden Feature in Toolbar [webmasterworld.com]
Has The Toolbar Gone Mainstream? [webmasterworld.com]
Toolbar Causes Indexing? [webmasterworld.com]
Google Visits What you Visit if you have the Toolbar [webmasterworld.com]
Pointing toolbar at www2 - www3 [webmasterworld.com]
What effect do the toolbar smilie faces have? [webmasterworld.com]
DC Toolbar Functions Turned on [webmasterworld.com]
Toolbar Policy - What happens to the data? [webmasterworld.com]
Google toolbar self updated to 1.1.57-deleon [webmasterworld.com]
Toolbar Update - 1.1.58 [webmasterworld.com]
Toolbar Update - 1.1.61 [webmasterworld.com]

just for fun:
[www-cs-students.stanford.edu...]

Sasquatch

3:46 am on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)



It must not do everyone at once. I'm still at 1.62.

thepcstore

4:14 am on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hi,

My home office pc's toolbar is still at 1.1.62, but we also have a net cafe in town and half the pc's are at 1.1.63 and the others have stayed the same?!? They all run from the same connection and are on and off at the same time. Weird and wonderful G...

Marcia

4:30 am on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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It just kicked in, just now reading about the Google Compute Project that's linked to from the little New! icon that's on the updated toolbar.

fathom

4:31 am on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Notice it when on vacation (mid September).

Helps Google compute -- what... I don't know?

Marcia

4:38 am on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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It's Distributed Computing, using system resources for research projects. The first is for a Stanford University [folding.stanford.edu] research project.

Our goal: to understand protein folding, protein aggregation, and related diseases

Robert Charlton

5:26 am on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>>It's Distributed Computing, using system resources for research projects.<<

I'm all for the idea....
- Are there any security issues?
- How does it manage the demands it makes on your machine so it doesn't slow down performance (the way, say, Find Fast did before I learned how to turn it off)?

PS: I probably should have read Brett's link thoroughly before posting. To answer my two questions, which might be fairly common, if it's OK to post this here:

- about security:

The Google Compute project takes computer security very seriously, and the Compute architecture has been built with effective security as a central concern. All program code is digitally signed, and must be verified before being executed. Work data is also digitally signed by the servers, and must be verified as authentic before being processed by the client. The third-party projects we support are carefully chosen, and are not made available by Google Compute before they undergo thorough reviews, security-audits and significant testing.

- about system resources:

In Conservative mode (selectable from the menu) it is even more cautious, waiting until the user is not actively using the system before beginning work.

jdMorgan

5:38 am on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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RC,

I've been running SETI@Home, independently of the new toolbar, for about a year. The SETI client runs at ultra-low priority, just above the idle task, and gives up the CPU to anything else that needs to run. It has three modes: Run when started manually, run as a screensaver, and run always. In run always mode, there is sometimes a slight delay when I give the CPU some real work to do, but otherwise, I don't notice it (system is a 1GHz P3, just for reference). The "work units" (data) come in small chunks, so the disk and memory footprints are small.

I suspect most of these other clients use the same technique.

As far as security goes, the client only phones home when it has finished processing a work unit, and the format of data in both directions is proprietary (they want to avoid faked results from users, so this also affords some protection to the users). All connections are requested by your machine, not their server. It worked fine once configured for my proxy server. I don't think there's any more security exposure than with any other kind of client most of us run.

Jim

Marcia

5:40 am on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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They cover privacy and security in the FAQ, and there's a Conservative Mode so that nothing will run unless your system's not in use.

Frequently Asked Questions [toolbar.google.com]

I checked "not now, later" to read it through thoroughly and get more input from other people.

Sasquatch

6:21 am on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)



I find it humorous that anyone running IE would worry about any security issues it the toolbar.

Powdork

6:22 am on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Just so I'm clear. If we do nothing did we already agree to it when we clicked "accept" to the toolbar tos? If so, how is this different from the spyware that comes along with kazaa to use your system to serve music files when your usage is low? (other than the good cause thing).

fathom

6:37 am on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Just so I'm clear. If we do nothing did we already agree to it when we clicked "accept" to the toolbar tos?

This is only the most recent toolbar - the icon kind of looks like a strand of DNA. You can also turn off the compute mode without removing the bar.

If so, how is this different from the spyware that comes along with kazaa to use your system to serve music files when your usage is low? (other than the good cause thing).

Although anything is possibly, the new bar's purpose is to assist in computing very enormous gnome equations, and nothing to do with hacking you or spyware.

Josk

8:24 am on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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And we have the source code to know this? Personally I wouldn't install if I was on Windows unless I could see how it worked. Anything that updates itsself without warning is dangerous.

Feh...but then I'm waiting for the Linux version.

Adam_C

8:54 am on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Weird - I only downloaded to a new computer it yesterday, and I've got 1.1.62

Powdork

9:02 am on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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This is only the most recent toolbar - the icon kind of looks like a strand of DNA. You can also turn off the compute mode without removing the bar.

from >about google toolbar
version: 1.1.63-deleon/en

no dna, nothing about ggogle compute anywhere

WebRankInfo

11:05 am on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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What are the changes from 1.1.62 to 1.1.63?
Any new feature?

fathom

11:20 am on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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[toolbar.google.com...]

Some FAQ

biggles

11:49 am on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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version: 1.1.63-deleon/en

no dna, nothing about ggogle compute anywhere

Like Powdork my Google toolbar is showing it's the latest version but I can't see any references to Google Compute or a DNA style icon.

fathom

11:58 am on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Go to Brett's post (msg #1) click link

select -- Do you want to try Google Compute? Yes, turn it on!

and depress bar "Ok I've made my selection".

You will not receive it, if you do not activate it.

edit_g

2:57 pm on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I'd quite aprechiate if Google notified its users that it was updating the toolbar... I know that they're not obliged to- just as a matter of curtesey.

Fiver

3:16 pm on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I guess I appreciate that nobody is really bothered by the fact that they are doing distributed computing on our machines, because it's google and hey how could we not love what they do, and it's google how could they ever want to do anything nasty.

true enough, but I remember some of the more technically inclined people in the past commenting that scumware stealing processor cycles and whippets of bandwidth is what was really bugging them.

that ubergeek argument has some merit, I paid money for that cpu, and for bandwidth, not to mention the electricity to run it. But at the same time, fortunately, i don't really care.

deltakits

3:31 pm on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)



Some success with distributed computing.

Science Daily Article [sciencedaily.com]

Gizmare

4:17 pm on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I find it humorous that anyone running IE would worry about any security issues it the toolbar.

Yet another fine example of security ignorance.

gopi

4:57 pm on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I find some of the new features which google calls "experimental features " .I am not sure this features were there in the previous version...

Just click on toolbar options and then Experimental Features ...there are 3 options, the most interesting is the exit popup killer !

cminblues

5:32 pm on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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then I'm waiting for the Linux version.

He.. and we all *ixers will enjoy in reverse-eng their CRC URL-encryption of the PR stuff?

No, I think this will never happen.. :)

cminblues

Brett_Tabke

5:38 pm on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>toolbar options under experimental features

Nifty.

New stuff:

A combined "search button" (not sure what that does - looks the same to me).

An ONunLOAD js killer. Usually stops popups or popunders.

Next Previous buttons to step through search results. (most of us have had that one for awhile though)

Visit Thailand

5:40 pm on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I have to say that I find this appaling. This has nothing to do with the toolbar I wanted which was a nice simple toolbar that let's me search etc.

I find it appalling that google can promote a charity/research facility or anything and then install it on my computer/toolbar without asking. I have removed it, as when I support charities etc I want to choose them freely not have a toolbar make suggestions and actually upload load it so I have to go and say no I do no want it.

Bad move IMHO.

volatilegx

5:52 pm on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I too think this is ethically a bad move for Google. They should have asked for permission before installing software unrelated to their search services. Will they be installing pop-up ad software next?

deltakits

6:22 pm on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)



In the default install, those features are NOT operational on your toolbar. In order to change it, you have to manually change it.

I don't understand why people get so worked up about an optional feature that you have to ELECT to use!

cminblues

6:30 pm on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I don't have googlebar, but this [GoogleCompute] would be maybe the only thing/feature not so irritating me.
Why?
Because [if true..] it's only a scientific/research purpose.
No money, no marketing, no privacy-violation nightmares, no war Google/SEO etc..
At least I hope so :)

I'd feel much more annoyed/hurt by the tracking stuff of PR adv. feature.
[And I'm not talking about cookies ;)]

cminblues

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