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Google effects of complete interlinking?

complete interlinking ups PR and backwards links?

         

gatekeeper

7:29 pm on Feb 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Let's say I operate a 50 page site under the general heading of widgets.
Each of these 50 pages is optimized for a particular keyword phrase.

According to Brett's articles/advice, he claims we should link to as much deep content as possible from the index.

So why wouldn't (couldn't or shouldn't?) one simply list all 50 pages with keyword rich text links for navigation ease on all pages?

Wouldn't that..
1)Share PR around the site?
2)Maximize the internal link count for your site?

gate

getvisibleuk

7:39 pm on Feb 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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yep

jeremy goodrich

7:45 pm on Feb 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It would not make for a very usable index page - but, for PageRank purposes, it might help a little.

The question becomes - would Google consider this as 'artificial PageRank inflation' - perhaps not.

Would the (potential) decrease in your sites usability be off set any PageRank increase / and or rankings increase? Possibly.

Yidaki

7:53 pm on Feb 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Did you mean a navigation bar like this:

page1 [example.com] - page3 [example.com] - page4 [example.com] - page5 [example.com] - page6 [example.com] - page7 [example.com] - page8 [example.com] - page9 [example.com] - page10 [example.com] - page11 [example.com]
- page12 [example.com] - page13 [example.com] - page14 [example.com] - page15 [example.com] - page16 [example.com] - page17 [example.com] - page18 [example.com] - page19 [example.com] -
page20 [example.com] - page21 [example.com] - page22 [example.com] - page23 [example.com] - page24 [example.com] - page25 [example.com] - page26 [example.com] - page27 [example.com] - page28 [example.com]
- page29 [example.com] - page30 [example.com] - page31 [example.com] - page32 [example.com] - page34 [example.com] - page35 [example.com] - page36 [example.com] - page37 [example.com] -
page38 [example.com] - page39 [example.com] - page40 [example.com] - page41 [example.com] - page42 [example.com] - page43 [example.com] - page44 [example.com] - page45 [example.com] - page46 [example.com]
- page47 [example.com] - page48 [example.com] - page49 [example.com] - page50 [example.com]

... i don't know if it would increase your page rank, but i would leave your site at the first look.

gatekeeper

7:54 pm on Feb 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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J stated "Would the (potential) decrease in your sites usability be off set any PageRank increase / and or rankings increase? Possibly."

I don't understand your comment.

I'm under the impression the SE's have difficulty with deep content based upon the number of times a click must be made to access the info.

If you used a navigation system, listing all of your pages in key word text and placed this nav system on every page wouldn't that be the easiest and quickest method for the surfer to access the info?

In addition, if all of the pages are placed into the root without any subdirectories...

1)PR would be maximized for each page
2)Link count would be maxed per page as well.

If this is the case, why don't sites simply follow this approach?

Thoughts?

gatekeeper

7:58 pm on Feb 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yidaki..

Not exactly...
all of the links (placed in a column on the right hand side of the page)would be like
<a href="http://www.example.com/keywordphrse.html">Keyword Phrase</a>

All of the pages in the site are optimized for each keyword phrase (2-3 words).
All of the pages rank 1-10 for these keywords already.

Yidaki

8:02 pm on Feb 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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gatekeeper,

yeah, sure, you can style it much prettier than my example. But i don't like sites that use a 50 links nav bar on all pages ... no matter how nice they look. Just ask yourself: would you like it?

gatekeeper

8:11 pm on Feb 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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yidaki...

Honestly I don't mind it...actually it's nice because you don't need to hunt for info.

My concerns though are..
1)Does this method maximize PR for each page
and
2)Doesn't this maximize the link count per page?

NFFC

8:20 pm on Feb 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>1)Share PR around the site?

You don't want to look at sharing, more at support. Imho the question you need to ask of your site is what pages/sections *need* the PR.

If you sell widgets you need to be very strong on the core KW. The wood widgets, steel widgets and fabric widgets also need to be strong.

Don't waste the sites focus on "wood widget model number 567788", that will look after itself.

Yidaki

8:20 pm on Feb 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>Honestly I don't mind it

Then go for it.

It maximizes PR for each page - allthough it also maximizes the link count per page. BTW: it also *could* maximize your risc being burned by a hand check.

AhmedF

9:15 pm on Feb 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Why dont you link to your most important pages on the front page, and then create a site map for all the other pages?

Craig_F

9:26 pm on Feb 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I wouldn't do this unless every page is perfectly related to all the other pages, otherwise you'll probably dilute the density of 2-3 phrases per page you've optimized for.

Even then, if it's 50 links all related your density will probably be too high on the individual pages.

You can avoid this by categorizing like pages and linking to every category from each page. The affect should be improved PR all around, without hurting your density.

gatekeeper

9:29 pm on Feb 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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What we are trying to do is the following:

The site I have been talking about provides free information on important topics. Each page (50 total)provide specific information pertaining to a specific keyword or keyword phrase.

Each of the pages are highly optimized and currently 95% already exist in google within the top 8 spots for each page/keyword.

This site drives traffic to other sites which are ecommerce in nature...hence, we wish to maximize PR and link count for each of the 50 pages.

All of the pages are related to a general category.

What we are trying to determine is..
1)Using keyword text links for navigation on all of the 50 pages is a good google practice or not.

2)According to Brett's pyramid theory(themes)the amount of links to deeper pages becomes less, while the majority of the link count increases for each superior page.

3)Also, the "relevency" of each page increases while travelling down the pyramid but what if all of the pages can be inter-related?

gate

gatekeeper

9:37 pm on Feb 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Craig
The page KW densities (for our pages that are 1-5) range from 6% to 64%..it's all relevent upon the sites above and below you in the standings.

Please explain how complete interlinking would screw the densities of the individual pages...I seem to have missed that one.

gate

Craig_F

9:42 pm on Feb 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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> 1)Using keyword text links for navigation on
> all of the 50 pages is a good google practice
> or not.

Google likes text links. You have nothing to worry about unless you do them in a spammy manner.

> 2)According to Brett's pyramid theory(themes)
> the amount of links to deeper pages becomes
> less, while the majority of the link count
> increases for each superior page.

I must misunderstand you. My understanding of themes is that links to deeper pages become *more* which helps transfer PR, and keywords in the link to those pages, which in turn should boost the rank of those pages. In addition, the top level pages end up with more keyword loaded links on them (from pointing to the deeper pages), which is generally a good thing too.

3)Also, the "relevency" of each page increases while travelling down the pyramid but what if all of the pages can be inter-related?

See my previous post on this one. At 50 links you could be too dense and wreck your optimization.

Craig_F

9:50 pm on Feb 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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> range from 6% to 64%..it's all relevent upon the sites
> above and below you in the standings.

Yup. All I'm saying is that since you mentioned you are already within the top 8 spots with your pages, you seem to have the density thing down.

So, I'd be afraid the extra 50 links that are all related to each other (lots of additional similar keywords in the links) could throw that all out of whack. At the very least I'd expect you'd have to rework those pages to avoid it.

If you try to categorize like I mentioned earlier I think you could move PR around almost as effectively without being concerned about the affect on your density.

jimbeetle

9:59 pm on Feb 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Our main site currently uses a lot of links on each page to make it easy for the user to navigate. On one section we have "Widgets by Area" strung down the right-hand column and "Widgets by Price" down the left.

There can sometimes be as many as 50 links in each of the columns but it makes it very easy for the user to navigate from Widget 1 to Widget 2 to Widget 3 without continually hitting the back button.

Now, no matter what the SEs say about designing a page with the user in mind and the SEs will like you is not always true. The shear number of links on each of these pages appears to mask the content for each individual widget and makes for a large page size (To which Brett always counsels to make smaller, smaller and yet again, smaller.

So, I'm now going through and, section by section, placing these extensive lists of widgets into external js files. The user will get the benefit of widget-by-widget navigation, the SEs won't be distracted by 'extraneous' content and page sizes will be much smaller.

Then I'll make another sweep through and interlink with 'related pages' and 'other widgets that might interest you' sections in the content area of each page. Hopefully these straight html links will carry whatever pr through the site (and be helpful to the user.

Jim

gatekeeper

10:08 pm on Feb 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The keyword text links are completely different.
Not similar at all.

jimbeetle

10:19 pm on Feb 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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These are all keyword text links and in our specific situation I found that it was just too many links per page.

Whatever boost the linked-to pages got from the many incoming keyword text links was offset by the specific widget content being masked by the number of links on the page.

If, however, your page has enough content to overshadow the text weight of the 50 or so links you're talking about well, hey, then it might work.

Jim