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Anyone noticed more PR0 pages?

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shady

6:08 pm on Feb 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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One of my sites has a PR5 for the default page and PR3/PR4s for most sub pages. However, I notice that default.php now has PR0.

This seems very odd to me! Anyone else?

Peter

2:37 pm on Feb 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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This happened to me. I think it started yesterday (1st Feb 2003).

index.html page has PR 0 but internal pages have PRs 3 to 4.

Pete

ga_ga

3:25 am on Feb 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Oops, just started a new thread on this, sorry. Yes, me too. PR 4 on internal pages, PR ,well not 0 I guess but greyed out on /index.shtml until an internal page has been visited. Weird.

troels nybo nielsen

5:52 am on Feb 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Welcome back, Peter, after your first brief visit in november. I don't really like the sound of that. What was the PR of your index page in the few days from last update till you saw that drop to 0? What was it before the update? How old is the page? Have you changed it recently?

ga_ga, it sometimes happens that internal pages are found before the index page. Again: how old is your site?

shady, I must admit that I do not understand your post. Are you mentioning the same page twice with two different PR's?

wordmonkey

1:21 pm on Feb 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm suffering from this too. My index page is now greyed out on the Google toolbar - it was previously PR6. My sub-pages, which range from PR5-3 seem to be fine.

The other weird thing is that I used to have around 120 links if I typed 'link: myurl' into Google. Now it comes up with nothing. My home page still comes up if I search for a keyword though.

Anyone figure out what's going wrong? Have I done something that's against Google's laws? I certainly can't figure it out.

By the way, the site is almost exactly one year old.

shady

2:27 pm on Feb 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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troels_nybo_nielsen

The same page yes, but using two different methods of retrieval
1) www.xxx.com PR5
2) www.xxx.com/default.php PR0

I think I have found the problem and wonder whether this may apply to anyone else?

All backward links except one link to www.xxx.com
The other link (which is probably the highest PR) was linking to xxx.com (without www.)
I have found the xxx.com/default.php has a PR4 where www.xxx.com/default.php has a PR0.
My guess is that it is to do with the fact that google treats sites as different with the www. and without. Therefore, it is treating the page as duplicate and pr0ing the lower rated page.

I have had the link changed from xxx.com to www.xxx.com which will hopefully :) solve the problem.

wordmonkey

2:47 pm on Feb 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hmm. Doesn't help me. My front page stays at its new PR0 and has lost all those links no matter which way I type in the URL - with or without the www.

hetzeld

3:04 pm on Feb 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Shady,

There must be some ongoing changes on how the index or "main" page is given PR.
Until recently (a few days ago) my index.php page always had my top directory PR minus 1.
I've checked after your post, and realize now that both / and /index.php have PR6, which is good news for me but reflects a change in the algo... showing up in the opposite direction for me ;)
There is no reason for your page to show PR0, so my guess is that it should come back to "normal" soon.
With more than 3 billion pages in the index, any change in the algo could show some weird intermediate results, and some discrepancies amongst different sites.

I hope that your default page PR only means "not (re-)computed yet"

Dan

ga_ga

5:01 pm on Feb 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Troels, Site's been up since late summer 2002.

troels nybo nielsen

8:29 pm on Feb 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I fear we wil have to ask for members with expanded expertise in these matters. I have no personal experience with grey bars (or white for that matter) on other than new pages.

But it is quite normal that a page shows different results if it is called different names. There is the old problem with www or not www. And there is the other old problem with www.something.com/ or www.something.com/index.html (or what you choose to call your main page). shady's solution ought to work.

OptWizard

8:37 pm on Feb 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yes I noticed many of my sites have Dropped in PR at least one and some to 0.

I have said it many a times I think PR is overrated. A good optimized page is all you need with quality links.

troels nybo nielsen

8:44 pm on Feb 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Welcome to WebmasterWorld, OptWizard.

Surely the importance of PR is overrated by many webmasters. But do remember that a white bar is not necessarily a 0 but may just be below 1.

OptWizard

8:53 pm on Feb 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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So many people think PR means so much but an article that was written in www.searchengine-news.com about the word cell phones. Look at the number 1 and 3 sites.

Darichman

9:21 am on Feb 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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On one of my sites, My home page is PR6 the next level is PR5 the next level is PR3 and now the 4th level is PR0 when last month the 4th level pages were PR2?

My link popularity went down some but it's still about 900 links pointing at my home page. After this last update my traffic dropped to half of what it was before. And my other pages still have the same PR as last month?

Why would my 4th level drop from PR2 to PR0? I don't get it?

nutsandbolts

9:33 am on Feb 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Take another look, OptWizard. The number 3 site is matched from just the keyword "phones" - there is no mention of "cell" on that page. It's there due to it's very high pagerank. The number 1 site, however, mentions both terms on the site and, with it's pretty decent pagerank, makes number one because of it.

Those of you who don't feel pagerank is important, can you please lend me a nice and juicy 9 please? ;)

troels nybo nielsen

9:37 am on Feb 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Darichman, as you describe your situation I am almost certain that those pages are not PR0 but just PR < 1.

A drop from PR2 to lower than 1 seems a little dramatic when there are no PR changes on higher levels, but there may be good explanations. Maybe your higher levels dropped from high 6, 5 and 3 to low ones. Maybe you changed your internal linking. Maybe Google changed their algo so that internal links distribute less PR.

Nutsandbolts, you can have 4 PR2's and one PR1. :)

webgator

2:31 pm on Feb 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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That does seem to be a dramatic drop in pagerank. We have a couple of sites with internal pages that have a white bar which you are saying is a PR<1, but in one case the index page is a PR 5 and we have text links and a site map for that site but the internal pages all show a white bar. So is Google not spidering internal pages anymore or distributing pagerank differently now then it previously did?

rogerd

2:44 pm on Feb 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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That's pretty dramatic, Webgator. I'd check robots.txt and the page meta tags to be sure the "white bar" pages haven't somehow been put off limits for spidering. I'm assuming that these pages don't have any content issues, i.e., content that is duplicated somewhere else, links to anything dicey, etc. Did they have normal PR before?

webgator

2:59 pm on Feb 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The content is all clean and unique as far as I can tell. None of the sites had robots.txt, though I just added one to a site to keep a few subdirectories from being spidered. Do you recommend adding robots.txt to all of our sites, even if we don't want to exclude anything. Would that help Googlebot. We also have custom404 pages set up on our server, is that an issue I should be concerned about?