Fresh tags

64.68.x.x but where are the tags?

[Stefan]

After having lost the freshbot for 5 days it decided to drop by again yesterday morning, and again this morning, but I find no freshened results or tags yet. Is this unique to my site?
The behaviour of the fresh results seems to be erratic and I'm starting to wonder if it could be a test bed for algo changes as much as just being minty. Any chance of that?

[troels nybo nielsen]

> Is this unique to my site?

Nope.

> I'm starting to wonder if it could be a test bed for algo changes as much as just being minty. Any chance of that?

I hope so. GoogleGuy told us just before the last dance that they were experimenting a bit with freshbot. Its behaviour this latest week might fit well into such a pattern. Personally I have been wondering if my new design, launched a week ago, might be a reason for Google not giving me fresh tags. I prefer the possibility that it's a general problem caused by experiments.

[Visit Thailand]

Also you will not get any tags if you have the googlebot no cahce tag on your pages.

[percentages]

I see Jan 9 fresh tags appearing now :) They are nearly always 24 hours+ behind the crawl.....Ms Googlebot is doing her job...be nice to her and she will be nice to you ;)

[troels nybo nielsen]

Aaaaahhh, I've got 9th too now. What a relief! ;) Actually I was not looking for them at all but doing some research for an article, and lo! there was sudenly one of my own new pages with fresh tags.:)

[percentages]

I hate it when you do a Google research search for something and it returns your own sites ;) Shouldn't it be smart enough to know you already know what is on those pages....LOL :)

[edited by: percentages at 7:27 am (utc) on Jan. 11, 2003]

[troels nybo nielsen]

In this particular case I think Google should be forgiven. I am searching from a computer with an IP address very differnet from my website.

(Besides I have just read in another thread that Google are not to be trusted! ;))

[Brian]

The problem I'm getting with freshed pages (esp my homepage) is that the freshtagged page's ranking appears to be receiving less power from off-page elements.

Specifically, my freshed homepage drops off the index, allowing a spam site of lower PR but with really simple on-page optimizations to take its place.

Then - mystery upon mystery - I click the search button again and my freshed page reapppears.

This happens also on Yahoogle and when using other browsers.

[percentages]

>Then - mystery upon mystery - I click the search button again and my freshed page reapppears.

My best guess for this one is that you are jumping between Google data centers. Some of which have different results at the time. Google has at least 7 known data centers, depending upon which one you get connected to the results will vary. Not just for the monthly update, and everflux, but also for freshbot updates.

Personally I find Y! and AOL to be totally consistant with results, albeit a few days behind the Google results at times. ;)

[Brian]

percentages: thanks for your reply. Funny, but my impression was that you stay with the same data center during each session.

But in any event, I still don't understand why my homepage disappears when refreshed and the index substitutes the next ranking page. My best guess is that Google doesn't always pick up the backlinks when calculating fresh pages, or in some other way penalizes them in comparison with the stable "montly crawl" page (which remains on the index and can be located via the url).

I wondered if maybe Google has decided that allowing fresh pages their full score would create a wave of spamming.

[Stefan]

The tags and fresh results appeared after I went to bed it seems. It took at least 40 hours for them to show after the bot came through compared to the 12-24 hours in late Dec. Nice to see it back anyway although no sign of 64.68 last night.