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I invite you to read my article about AdWords here
http://www.emnme.com/google/index.htm
Then please tell me who would you believe.
KR,
EmnmE
The setup is fast and after my credit card details have been validated I launched another window and voila my site is indexed.
If I understand what you are suggesting (that google indexed your site and listed it from the time you submitted adwords to the time they charged your credit card) - I've never seen this or heard of it, nor do I even think it is even possible. You were already indexed, and it was just a coincidence that you reloaded at that time. Google is constantly crawling the web and adding fresh sites. You got hit and added by "freshbot".
Two days running, my ad and position on searches were great! My site was everywhere even in Yahoo!
Again, that's freshbot. It is normal to be dropped right after that.
What you saw was a normal and totally unconnected experience. Check the forum, there are dozens of posts about "I got dropped from google after being in there for 3-4 days". It's normal.
It is quite common for adwords to reject AdWords - that's especially true when a competitors keywords are used.
The remainder of the article is nonapplicable and (sorry), but I feel it's way off.
Read up on everflux and read up on adwords.
but your online article is one of the wackiest I have seen. Google indexes 3,000,000,000 web pages - they're not watching our individual musings on the Web (except, perhaps, occasionally here!)
Just wondering, is your battle against Oakley as well thought out and researched as your battle against Google?
And to think, that all of us thought that you had to work on your site to get a #1 ranking, and in truth it only costs $5!
Your article makes it seem like Google is part of some massive conspiracy theory. The TRUTH may be out there but it sure can't be found in your article....
Google is wonderful for advertising for the simple fact that if you have a "better mousetrap" they CAN help you build a path to your door. They give you that chance by having exposure that would take years to build otherwise. But if you can't maintain the interest, they have to let someone else have that chance.
If you had only a few clicks per thousand, you are wasting your time, Google's time, and people's screen-space. I recently went through a HUGE learning curve with adwords myself. ( [webmasterworld.com...] )
I can't imagine walking away from adwords without daily fine-tuning for the first week of an ad, especially if you have never done it before. My only "complaint" about Google adwords was I probably should have been warned more heavily about the large lag-time for statistics to update or for changes to go into effect when I request them. But when I took the time to complain about that, they actually gave me a partial refund. Now that's a great business attitude.
I hope you realize its not the end of the world and try researching more about adwords and try again. I always like to see the smaller business have a chance to get good exposure and make money that would needlessly go to the larger corporations.
Good luck and best wishes -aV-
I really must say I was fascinated by your article(s) but not really sure... what your true complaint(s) are?
Brett immediately clear up the misunderstanding as to "approximate" how Google's technology works, so there isn't much to say there.
As to the rest -- mostly Rubbish!
1. There is no conflict between Google and you and/or the other party. Apparently there is a conflict between you and the other party. You may/or may not have a legitimate suite with the other party but unless you seek legal assistance... you really have no foundation. Google and Google AdWords on the other hand... are not legal venues.
2. You are listed in Google's index or at least some older pages of your domain, but unless you develop the content, and code to support higher rankings you will be limited in your exposure. In addition, after reviewing the content of your site, your AdWord campaign did not reflect your web site's primary content.
3. Adwords are about "Making Money". Both for Google and you. This doesn't necessarily mean having viable products or services for resell -- it could be simple exposure. (e.g. such as non-profit organizations developing awareness to their cause for grants, donations, and fund raisers.
Clearly none of the above seems to be aligned to your interests.
4. Lack of Research - Limited understanding for a particular cause can not be aided or bolstered by citing others -- such as:
SearchKing's lawsuite against Google. Your particular situation and SearchKing have no common merits that parallel each other, other than Google being cited as the potential accused in both. SearchKing's lawsuite revolves around PageRank manipulation where you clearly have none. -- I checked.
5. Spelling - I will assume that you are gifted in copy-writing and that your articles were written in haste. Personally I would have others proof my written dialogue before making it public. It looks more professional that way.
On the cited article you have 7 spelling (3 in your opening paragraph) and at least 6 grammar mistakes.
Reading these errors immediately made me believe these charges are warrantless and purely "bogus".
6. "Start gaining new customers in less than 5 minutes" so I signed up, setup my ad with their wizard and in five minutes or less I'm done and my visa is charged.
I was personally fascinated by your "proof" of AdWord bias. Clearly though your "ad campaign" was in breech of Google's TOS;
Noting your own logfiles suggests that Google Users should click to find a product you do not sell or find information (potential credibility) about a vendor that you clearly do not have any ties with (such as an affiliate) or offer information as an unbias review.
Google AdWord TOS Excerpts...Prohibited Uses. Google strictly prohibits using the Google Web Site or any Partner Site(s)
(i) to generate fraudulent impressions of or fraudulent clicks on Advertiser's ad(s) or third-party ad(s), including but not limited to using robots or other automated query tools and/or computer generated search requests, and/or the fraudulent use of other search engine optimization services and/or software;
(iv) to engage in any other illegal or fraudulent business practice under the laws of any state or country where the ad is displayed. You may not include links to any Web site(s) as part of your ad, unless the content found at such site(s) is relevant to your Target(s). You may not run multiple ads linking to the same or similar site on the same search results page. Violation of these policies may result in immediate termination of this Agreement, and may subject you to state and federal penalties and other legal consequences.
Termination; Cancellation. Google may at any time, in its sole discretion, terminate the Program, terminate this Agreement, or cancel any ad(s) or your use of any Target. Google will notify you via email of any such termination or cancellation, which shall be effective immediately...
Your Theories:
Google accidentally indexing your ads
Google places ads based on your keyword requests -- nothing accidental here. You clearly wanted to be click on via the third party's information, and products.
Google influenced the result and manually removed your site.
Agree. Adding... from where I sit you were clearly violating Google's TOS.
Well, I signed up just when everybody's still busy thinking of buying something for Christmas.
I think the problem was -- you were selling somewhat bias and non-relevant information, which you clearly do not have any expertise in. In addition, your intent did not seem to help christmas shoppers.
In two days my ad was displayed 2,600 times. Maybe only 200 unique people got interested with my Oakley campaign and went to check out my website for enlightenment. And I swear to any court, my site appeared next to Oakley's. We even thought at the office, Oakley is not running any campaign at all.
In all fairness your campaign was not to develop or enlighten a market based on Unique Selling Points towards you, but to cast doubt towards someone else, without legal foundation.
A side note: Although your article suggests Adword bias your legal foundation is only (possibly) with the other company. Going to court is a better route to take than developing Adwords. I doubt Google wishes to be a participant is someone else’s business.
Conclusions
AdWords can work for you or against you. So, plan your marketing strategy well.
Sometimes very true - but I still haven't quite deduced what exactly your market strategy is/was... thus I believe you need to take your own advice here.
About a month ago, SearchKing.com sued Google...
Completely irrelevant!
So, dont just sit there and pretend nothing is wrong. Because, I am not going to wait till Google just put my site online. Somebody gave me the talent to create websites. Then, I'm not going to throw away my digital life because Oakley and Google are now against me.
Bolster yourself by selling yourself...
I personally find your article an attempt to make money by offering ill-will to others... this is commonly known as a scam.
My opinion only. Thanks EmnmE for making these issues public.
Rod (aka fathom)
[edited by: fathom at 9:04 am (utc) on Dec. 30, 2002]
Well said! I agree totally. I think that the fact Emm went far enough to publish his article in this forum makes it even more unappealing. Your response made me hungry. I'm like that guy in the movie "One crazy summer with John Kusak. Waiting for the radio anouncer to call out.....be the 20th caller now". This googlebot thing is preventing me from having a normal diet and sleeping at night. I'm going to hit the fridge. Gosh darn it, my monitor is heavy and its got wires connected.
Ken
Emm's Quote "So, dont just sit there and pretend nothing is wrong. Because, I am not going to wait till Google just put my site online. Somebody gave me the talent to create websites. Then, I'm not going to throw away my digital life because Oakley and Google are now against me."
I'm sorry but if you have this god given ability to create websites, why don't you use it in a more positive way. What the hell are you doing developing sites that talk smack other businesses. I've owned several businesses on and off the web and from my experience, no business is perfect. Get over it. Why are you wasting what you call your "talent to create websites" on something so stupid. Why don't you create something great instead of trying to get recognition for something as pithetic as this.
Hey, if someone out there sides with this guy, no hard feelings :).
Ken
A little bit of real research could have stopped this completely misguided 2+2=5 article. As Brett said, Adwords and standard listings are not connected in anyway - but I assume an apology will be in order in due course if you reappear in Google.
becuause you are obviously on some serious stuff.
Shak
(sorry mods, best I could come up with)
