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It doesn't carry a heck of a lot of weight but quite a few folks use it to firm up secondary keyword phrases.
Jim
Are they read and not indexed, but used somehow to "firm up" a page's ranking for various keywords? Probably unknowable, but I tend to doubt it.
Do they contribute to a page's overall word count or page size and therefore have a *negative* influence somewhere in the algorithm? Again, probably unknowable, but this kind of text would normally be such a small proporion of a web page that any effect would presumably be microscopic.
The question is whether the title attribute carries any degree of benefit to the linked-to page in the same way that link text does, even a fraction. Sometimes there's no other option.
jomaxx, did your research check into that aspect as well as the page the title attribute was on? I'm wondering how it would be tested - as in when we see at Google that certain terms only appear in links pointing to a page, not on the page itself, when viewing the highlighted keywords in the cache.
>>It's not that hard to test if such text is indexed. I have done so recently and the result was negative.
I don't think that's the same as it not carrying any weight as part of the on-page criteria. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to explain exactly what I mean, so please bear with me.
Not everything on a page that is indexed is searchable on the SE. An img link will be indexed and give weight to something but -- no matter how many keywords in it -- will not show up as part of a Google snippet. Similarly alt tags.
I think what I'm saying is that, depending on SE, most everything on a page is "indexed," and different items carry different weights in the respective algos, but only the visible (hopefully) text is "searchable" by the user.
Does that make any sense?
Jim
On the other hand, text in ALT tags DOES show up in Google snippets. What that says about how the two tags are weighted, I don't know, though.
Snippets are something else again. First of all, I would assume that Google predigests pages for speed - compressing them, removing common words and punctuation, removing capitalization, etc.
It looks like snippets are generated on the fly from the cache and NOT from the predigested page that would be used for determining keyword relevance. That suggests to me they aren't connected to the ranking algorithm, but I could be wrong.
"For each query,Google factors in 100 variables, including anchor text, URL patterns, fonts and positioning data to calculate relevance."
Now we need the 100 variables and how they are factored!
No, no. Every SE uses some other on-page criteria in its algo to some extent or another. Really, really read that thread I linked to above. There are some real heavy hitters talking there who are much better informed than I am about the Google specifics.
Speaking of heavy hitters, where are they when you need them?
Jim