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Megaboy

2:17 pm on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Just an idea.

How do we rank high on Google?

We could create a "link net" and help ourselves to achieve a higher-ranking. One of the ways to do this would be to create a link page in a directory all by itself for related site.

We obviously do not have to have it displayed to the public, but of course you still want to make it look good because it may very well be the page that the search engines seek out.

I would create a public page of related links. I'm a member of a support team for a website hosting company, and related sites could be merchant account setups, WebSite design companies, HTML software etc.

This would not violate Google's rules because they are related to the content of your WebSite.

Any suggestions?

Hardwood Guy

2:38 pm on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Sounds scary to me. I would consider it taking advanatge and not playing fairly especially with this comment..."We obviously do not have to have it displayed to the public"

Only my .02

teenwolf2000

2:41 pm on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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You can achieve high ranking in google by 2 ways - one read through this forum & gain ideas or two pay someone -like me - to do it for you
my .02 worth

bcc1234

2:42 pm on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I future candidate for a "I just got my site banned, what do I do to restore my rank" post :)

piskie

2:48 pm on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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If you design anything into your site that Google can see but does not display for visitors then even if Google misses it, a competitor may report you and then you are left with a banned domain name. Your idea is in a grey area and does not warrant the risk.

See Googles guidance for webmasters.

Megaboy

2:52 pm on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Okay Hardwood Guy, let's make it to the public. I see often other sites with related links for one reason or another, and there PR is in a good range. :-)

rogerd

3:43 pm on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Megaboy, if I understand what you are suggesting, it sounds very similar to what LinkTopics attempted a while ago - create a network of sites with topically themed link pages that had links to the sites of "members".

They actually did a very decent job of making the pages look good, allowing integration with the site's design, and generating the pages randomly to avoid identical content on different sites. All in all, a credible job and nothing at all that would look spammy to a typical visitor. Unfortunately, this got caught by Google's link farm definition.

Having a page of related links on your site is fine. Having some overlap of sites between your link list and some other site's link list is also fine. Distributing a page of identical links for posting on people's sites, however, will almost certainly get you in trouble. Sorry if I misunderstood your idea.

jackofalltrades

3:49 pm on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)



The concept is not that disimillar to a form of business networking.

I have a friend (recruitment consultant) who is a member of an organisation which arranges meetings between members. I think they meet for breakfast once a week in their local areas.

During this time they swap contacts and business leads.

My friend has generated a lot of business this way - contacts are better than any marketing you could have.

But on the web its a different kettle of fish - different rules apply and unfortunately something like this could all to easily be misused by people to gain higher rankings. And as Google doesnt want this, then they are likely to take a firm stance against it.

Still, its a good idea in concept.

JOAT :)

makemetop

4:21 pm on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)



>How do we rank high on Google?

That was the question.

>Don't participate in link schemes designed to increase your site's ranking or PageRank.

Is Google's answer!

[google.com...]

jimbeetle

6:14 pm on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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rogerd,

>sounds very similar to what LinkTopics attempted a while ago

I was just (again) checking backlinks on Alta Vista with the trusty Google toolbar. There's quite a number of LinkTopics pages (and pages from another program that I'll not name here) still up. Though many of the links pages are PR0 as I'd expect, a surprising handful have solid PR4, 5 and even a 6 (for the links page!).

Looks like some folks are pulling themselves out of the holes we dug for ourselves all that time ago.

Jim

Megaboy

8:52 pm on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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For the most part, I'm not saying participate in a scheme. I'm merely making a suggestion and by the looks of it, not many see the suggestion as being worthy.

However, I would say that having some links that are related to the content of your site would in fact increase your popularity without damaging your listing with google.

The suggestion is not really geared around just a page with a whole lot links on it to anything and everyone's site.

There are many sites with just links as a matter of fact, and of course DMOZ would not list them. Google on the other hand but list them, but if caught would ban them.

Not looking to get banned from Google, just suggesting an idea. Well, that's surely enough for this idea. I just try and think of another one. :-)

Dante_Maure

9:50 pm on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Welcome to WebmasterWorld [webmasterworld.com] Megaboy. :)

I believe you have a misunderstanding about how Google's ranking algorithms work.

It also seems that many of the replies are based on a misunderstanding of what you have suggested. I think the main confusion was created by your use of the term "link net" which suggested to others a network of links pages placed on sites other than your own, rather than a collection of links on your site pointing to other sites.

Have I understood your intention clearly?

I see often other sites with related links for one reason or another, and there PR is in a good range. :-)

The related links are not the direct cause for their high PR. Their PR is from other sites linking to them. Though in many cases the link directory is related because there has been a reciprocal linking arrangement made between webmasters. (e.g. I'll link to you, if you link to me)

While I don't see your suggestion as being likely to incur a penalty (especially if you don't hide the directory) , I also don't believe it will achieve your intended goal.

The primary error in your plan is the belief that a directory of outbound links alone is going to significantly boost your rankings with Google. (also, your wanting to manipulate rankings through hidden methodologies can be potentially dangerous)

There are dozens of factors that are weighed in ranking a page highly, but by far the two most significant players are:

  • Inbound links from quality sites pointing to your page

  • The keywords in the anchor text of the links pointing to your page

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  • EliteWeb

    10:31 pm on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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    Theres an elitest group out where with members running very well placed sites. To become a member you must be sworn to secrecy (because they dont want their ring sploiled) and pay a 6500.00 year fee. The sites link to each other, unique in ways that make it possible for a newbie site they launch to show up almost immediatly and strongly for the search engines bringing it traffic, thus turning into sales.

    I don't know who these people are, ive only heard about em in my dreams :P Actually its not real however it would be a fun little society

    quotations

    1:43 am on Dec 19, 2002 (gmt 0)

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    You forgot part of the description of that secret society.

    The inner circle of the cabal are all meta editors at ODP.