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ODP - Relevance for Google PR

Page rank and ODP

         

Superbiagio

11:44 am on Dec 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hi everybody! It's the first time i post a topic on this board. Please to meet you everybody!
I would like to know how much is relevance to be present in ODP for Page Rank: how many points could it give to my pages?
Thank you! Bye!

engine

1:04 pm on Dec 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Superbiagio, welcome to WebmasterWorld.

If you have the Google toolbar installed you can see the Pagerank indicator.
Go to the directory page where your site is listed and look at the toolbar - the Pagerank Indicator will show you the value.

John_Caius

1:08 pm on Dec 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Do a forum search for the topic - there are many previous threads on this subject. Basically the summary is:

1) Google doesn't treat ODP any differently from any other site in terms of the value of a link.

2) how much you gain depends on
a) the pagerank of the ODP page where you're listed
b) the number of sites on that page (pagerank given is split between them all equally so more sites = less ranking points handed on).

3) the ODP database is used by hundreds of other smaller sites, each one of which gives you a tiny smidgeon of ranking worth, but lots of tiny smidgeons can equal a reasonable figure.

The general assumption is that for a normal-sized site, it is common for a link in the ODP to boost the pagerank of the page by about 1 pagerank point. Maybe more for a site that previously had a pagerank of e.g. 1/10, certainly less for a site that is already 9/10.

Superbiagio

1:20 pm on Dec 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hi Caius,
thank you very much! Now is clear!

Dante_Maure

1:58 pm on Dec 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Welcome to WebmasterWorld [webmasterworld.com] Superbiagio. :)

[edited by: Dante_Maure at 2:34 pm (utc) on Dec. 11, 2002]

rfgdxm1

2:31 pm on Dec 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>Google doesn't treat ODP any differently from any other site in terms of the value of a link.

Doesn't look so in terms of PR value, but some of us suspect you get a boost from an ODP listing in the algo. Obviously Google isn't going to reveal the secret details of that algo, so this is just guessing.

John_Caius

3:02 pm on Dec 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Sorry, yes - I was talking about PR impact only.

rfgdxm1

5:02 pm on Dec 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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OK. From some evidence I have seen, ODP listed sites are given special weight by Google. Makes some sense, as there is some quality assurance with ODP listings. For example, while easy to put up 15 doorway page domains to spam the Google SERPs, not so easy to get those 15 doorway page domains into the ODP. That the ODP is also the official Google directory also gives them reason to favor listed sites.

One other comment. You wrote "The general assumption is that for a normal-sized site, it is common for a link in the ODP to boost the pagerank of the page by about 1 pagerank point. Maybe more for a site that previously had a pagerank of e.g. 1/10, certainly less for a site that is already 9/10." This isn't necessarily true. It does depend a lot on what your existing inbound links are. I can give a good example. I am the ODP editor of Recreation: Drugs. That page of the directory is PR7, and from analyzing sites listed in it, AFAICT just by getting listed in that cat of mine is enough *alone* to get your site to a PR6. In terms of getting PageRank value from an ODP listing, I'm about as powerful an ODP editor as they come. For those who don't understand why, Recreation: Drugs is about as high a category on the tree as you can get (are there any ODP directory pages with a PR8 that aren't just @links?), and this category doesn't have that many listed sites. However, if your site fits into Top: Shopping: Crafts: Woodcraft: Decorative: Intarsia, that directory page has just a PR of 4. A PR6 off the bat with just one listing is dang good in Google terms. For example, the major domain name registrar Godaddy has just a PR5 home page. If your site fits in the right ODP category and you can get in, this alone is enough for a strong PR.

jackofalltrades

5:13 pm on Dec 11, 2002 (gmt 0)



I had a new site entered into a PR7 cat and the first update it was in it only showed two backlinks - the ODP cat and one other site - PR4.

The new site got a PR4. The site went up to PR5 this month (a lot more inbound links).

I dont think a PR7 ODP link alone is good enough for a PR6.

My 2 c

JOAT

jackofalltrades

6:42 pm on Dec 11, 2002 (gmt 0)



Having seen a few more examples there (limited backlinks), i see what rfgdxm1 is saying.

Could it be the additional boost from ODP data driven sites?

Eg a PR7 cat in ODP is a PR5 or PR6 in the data dump sites?

Therefore instant multiple high PR links? (almost instant anyway?).

If true, it stands as an incentive for creating a quality site! :)

JOAT

BigDave

6:58 pm on Dec 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Since the are many copies of ODP out there, I susppect that you gain more than you do from one incoming link, because it really is many incoming links. The other directories do not have as high of PR, but I expect that if you are in a PR7 or PR8 DMOZ cat, that you will notice a few additional PR4 backlinks. I also noticed that some of the other ODP directories do javascript links, which will not pass their PR to you either.

Suzontheweb

10:19 pm on Dec 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hi everyone,
Hope you don't mind this post on a slightly different, but related topic. My ODP backlink shows up in Google and I'm now in the Google Directory, but no category shows below my site. Also, if I go to the Directory, I'm at the bottom of the list with no rank. Any ideas why the two parts of Google haven't connected about my site? The only guess I have is that the URL is followed by a backslash in the Directory but not in regular Google. It isn't a huge problem -- I mostly would love to be able to see the page rank in the Directory because I'm a Mac user.
Thanks!

John_Caius

12:25 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

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You have to have a green bar by your site in the directory for Google to recognise it in the normal search results, or for you to turn up in the directory search.

Reasons why you might not have a green bar:

1) You have only just entered the directory - it may come next month
2) Your site was down temporarily when Google spidered last month
3) Google cannot spider the page in the directory because it has dynamic characters in the URL
4) other reasons?

John_Caius

12:38 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

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rfgdxm1: "In terms of getting PageRank value from an ODP listing, I'm about as powerful an ODP editor as they come."

Are you a very experienced editor? You must feel under some pressure with all this power!

In terms of high PageRank categories, Health has sites listed in the root category and is a PageRank of 8/10.

GoogleGuy

1:52 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

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rfgdxm1, we don't give any special weight to ODP pages. Just whatever PageRank they get naturally is what we use.

Go60Guy

2:04 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Well, the Oracle has spoken. Its settled. That should end this topic. Thanks Googleguy.

rfgdxm1

5:55 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

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GoogleGuy, I didn't mean PR weight, but that there might be some other factor in the algo that would give the site a boost if it had an ODP listing. So you are saying that dmoz.org pages are treated the same as any other?

steveb

7:46 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I have no clue about the Google algo, but I would doubt ODP is treated differently. What it is is mirrored in the Google Directory, so one ODP PR6 link is two because the GD is PR6 also. I don't think it gets more mysterious than that.