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joker197cinque

10:15 am on Dec 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hallo.

In my office, we usually run an automated-tool for submitting pages to google.

I know that it isn't recommended but...this is. :(

Yesterday Google move our pages down of 4-5 pages!

How can it be happened?

Is there something we can do to resolve this situation?

Thx in advance.

fabriZio

Nick_W

10:19 am on Dec 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hi Joker

Google just updated.
[webmasterworld.com...]

Did you drop in PR or make major changes recently? -- Seems like just the normal ups/downs to me...

Nick

joker197cinque

10:31 am on Dec 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I drop in:

one domain: 1#PR
another domain: 0#PR
another domain: 4#PR

Pages found with some keywords (can i post kwds?) are now down, down in search results of these kwds.

Are other sites that "works" better of us or...we that, with that damn' automated-tool, have compromised all?

Thx :(

Nick_W

11:02 am on Dec 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Shouldn't think it's the tool, though it could be...?
I'd stop using it anyway, submitting pages won't help you. It's all about linking...

Sent you a sticky...

Nick

Namaste

12:32 pm on Dec 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hello all. I am happy to report from the land of snake charmers, yoga and 4 miss universe winners!
My websites have been online for about 2 years and like you all Google has become a major factor in my life. My sites are hosted in the US, so I fall in the same boat as far as crawls go as most of you.
All was going well for the last 8 months until the thanksgiving day updates by Google. Suddenly I find my websites not featuring as well as previously:
- single keyword search: dropped from no. 80 to no. 130
- dual keyword search dropped from no. 1-3 to 8-10
- triple keyword search dropped from no. 1 to 3-4

so overall worse results.

However, page rank is uncahnged
but no. of inward links has decreased significantly, though they should have gone up

Some factors to consider:
1. My I.P. changed becuase I shifted servers - does this impact negatively? I believe so, becuase there was is a redirect on the old I.P. I also noticed that immediately Freshbot has stopped its revisits

2. Many of my inward links come from the same sites. Any known changes in Googles algorithm regarding inward links?

3. Is Google penalising for inward links from certain sites now? Interestingly, the pages I suspected that would be penalised no longer feature in Google list of links to my site (using link: ), however those same pages still maintain a page rank of 2-4

4. The no. of inward links is now actually lower, when infact it should be higher. It is lower by a dramatic figure of nearly 1500. Even if I discount 100 links for pages that I believe were suspect, this still does not explain the sortage of the balance. I have actually checked the pages that are linking to me and all those links are intact, so why the drop?

5. Is there anyway that one can see all the links that google is counting? I can only see the 1st 1000 links from Google

:)

Mike_Mackin

12:35 pm on Dec 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Welcome Namaste

Where is the "land of snake charmers, yoga and 4 miss universe winners!"?

glengara

12:55 pm on Dec 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I'm increasingly seeing many non-relevant links being ignored by G, with consequential effects on PR/ranking.

Mohamed_E

1:03 pm on Dec 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Joker,

It is very unlikely that using the automated submission tool (oversubmitting) had any effect. From the Google Facts and Fiction [google.com] page:

Fiction: A website will be removed from Google's index if it's 'over-submitted'.

Fact: We do not require submission nor do we penalize sites for 'over-submission'. You are free to submit as often as you wish. However, given the nature of our inclusion process, your time is better spent improving the content and links of your site.

joker197cinque

2:02 pm on Dec 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Thx Mohamed_E and to all....

but how can I find, according to u, why my pages are so damaged in search results?

Does anyone have an "algorithm" to control a list of possible problems?

Thx in advance...

fabriZIo

teresha

2:05 pm on Dec 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

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<Where is the "land of snake charmers, yoga and 4 miss universe winners!"?>

My guess would be India.

martinibuster

3:06 pm on Dec 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

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From Google's Terms of Service [google.com]:
You may not send automated queries of any sort to Google's system without express permission in advance from Google.

While Google doesn't expressly forbid automated submission, the ban seems to be implicit.

joker197cinque

4:22 pm on Dec 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

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While Google doesn't expressly forbid automated submission, the ban seems to be implicit.

Ok...u are right, but this then?...

You are free to submit as often as you wish...

I think absolutely WILL NOT use it again ..yes..but can i sleep thinking about this automated tool as cause of these problems or...also other things?

Thx :)

fabriZIo

Dante_Maure

4:40 pm on Dec 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

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No amount of manual submission can invoke a penalty, but automated submissions are a definite danger.

Where is the "land of snake charmers, yoga and 4 miss universe winners!"?

That would be most assuredly be India. :)

Welcome to WebmasterWorld [webmasterworld.com] Namaste.