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Let's get quantitative!

What does it take to get pr?

         

allanp73

9:56 am on Dec 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I was surfing and came across what I felt was the most pathetic site listed on DMOZ. It was a one page site with no content and just five links to other sites. What surprised me was it had a pr5. It has only 8 backlinks.
I can't understand why it has such a high pr. I have sites with over 200 pages of indexed content, yahoo and dmoz links, and links from 50 other sites and they are still pr4. So this leads to my question what does it take to get pr? I know this might be difficult but there must be some answers.
How many links equals pr1,2,3,4,5...?

How strong should the links be?
Will 20 pr3 links equal one pr7 link? How to links transfer pr and how much?

How do pages within a site affect pr? Can a site with 2000 pages and zero outside links achieve a high pr? How many pages equals pr1,2,3,4,5...?

I would like to see quantitative answers that way I can mathematically approach web marketing. This would be a good time for Googleguy give feedback ;)

fathom

10:26 am on Dec 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Although this may not sound like an answer... as many as it takes.

Any single link can provide you with an increase to the PR Toolbar of PR2 through PR8 (close to PR9) if you can get higher PR links with minimum other outbound links on the page.

With as little as 300 produce a PR7 mainpage, other members less including 1 that indicating this on 98 links.

Obviously the less PR per link (and the more link on the same page not going to yop) the more it will take.

You should worry about the PR score. Just keep developing same theme link exchanges (regardless of the actual PR) and your SERP's will increase - and PR won't be that far behind.

seo4life

10:45 am on Dec 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Allan, you should not worry about your PR as it is not responsible for high rankings. I i.e. have several PR5 pages that got that PR by beeing linked from another (PR6) page but are not listet in Google under my preferred Keywords. PR only exists to give other pages a legitimation to exist. Not more!

seo4life

SlyOldDog

11:17 am on Dec 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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This is not entirely true. Pagerank counts for a lot, but less than it used too.

I have to admit I am baffled when I see a new pagerank 3 site with no external backlinks beat out our well established page with much higher pagerank for our best keywords.

In general, this is what I have observed, and it is only my observation:

Pagerank 2 is worth around 10 times pagerank 1. Pagerank 3 is worth 10 times pagerank 2 etc. So a pagerank 10 is worth a billion times a pagerank 1. However, the amount of pagerank you receive from a link from a page is divided by the number of total links on that page. For example, a link from these 3 pages will give the same pagerank to you:

1) Page pagerank: 5, Number of links on page 10
2) Page pagerank: 6, Number of links on page 100
3) Page pagerank: 7, number of links on page 1000

This is very rough. There is also a damping factor so you don't receive 100% of the pagerank that the link is sending you, but it's easier to forget about that.

You also need to bear in mind that Pagerank does not seem to be an integer, so even though the toolbar tells you a site is pagerank 6, it may be 6.9 which is worth nearly 10 times as much.

Anyway, the days of getting good pagerank and good rankings following on ar long gone, my friend. Now the trick is to get keywords in your incoming links and to build the best site on the planet which is so full of content that it cannot be ignored.

seo4life

12:35 pm on Dec 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Yeah....best site with best content. Does not everyone of us has the best site ;-)

Youre right in your observations about pagerank and I am too. A page with high pr does not has to rank high. But a page with a high pr can give good links (links with high link popularity)...which are quite important for ranking.

Some of my pages rank high in Google on often searched keywords. This pages have only a pr of 3. But they get a lot of links with keywords in them.

allanp73

12:59 pm on Dec 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Actually, I'm not worried about pr. I really want to develop a system that can be imployed for present and future projects.
I knew that the amount of pr transferred from a site depends on it's pr and the number of links it has going out.
I have one site, which has over 400 backlinks and 534 pages indexed, with a pr6. How do I get it pr7? Or pr8?

I heard previous that isn't a 10 scale but is a 8.5 scale.

I wonder if anyone out there has looked into measuring how Google ranks the pr of a site. I looked at sites with the lowest pr because they were the easiest to model. However, sometimes it seems there is no discernable pattern.

MeditationMan

2:39 pm on Dec 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I knew that the amount of pr transferred from a site depends on it's pr and the number of links it has going out.
I have one site, which has over 400 backlinks and 534 pages indexed, with a pr6. How do I get it pr7? Or pr8?

Last month my site had 720 backlinks and PR6. This month it's 790 and PR7. Of course the new PR may not be stable, but the two sites above mine with PR7 have 976 and 936 backlinks, so somewhere between 720 links and 936 I expect my PR7 to become rock-solid. At the current rate of growth I'll hit 1000 backlinks in April 2003.

People often talk about the huge leap your site might make if a very high-ranking site links to you, but that hasn't happened to me or to any of the sites above mine. Mostly links seem to come from sites of PR6 or lower.

BigDave

4:56 pm on Dec 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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allanp73,

check out [hci.stanford.edu ]. It should give you a better idea for how PageRank is implemented.