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What's up with Google?

Serps don't make sense

         

allanp73

8:30 am on Nov 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I have noticed that the serps really don't make sense anymore. At one time I thought Google made sense. It would rank sites high if they used keywords on the pages. Now I am noticing pages without the keywords ranking high for the keywords I search. I thought I could be due to link popularity but these sites don't even have many links and the links pointing to the sites don't even use the keywords. I did notice once or twice that Google used the meta description tag to find the keywords and even displayed this in the serps. I thought meta description were no longer used by Google. Also, I noticed that when using multiple keywords that proximity of the keywords wasn't given much weight. The results Google is producing are crap. I am confused.
Is there a completely new algo? If so what is it? Has anyone else noticed that Google's results have gotten really bad? I am hoping that Google will start producing good results again. I am annoyed because not only I market sites on it, but I use it for research purposes and I can't find anything anymore without weeding through dozens of useless results.

troels nybo nielsen

8:43 am on Nov 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

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If you are right then Google is facing a really serious problem, that ultimately may threaten their existence because users will be leaving them. I haven't had experiences like yours, though. The searches that I recently have done did return relevant and realistic results.

onionrep

8:51 am on Nov 20, 2002 (gmt 0)



I think google is fine.(besides the fact that it could rank my sites a little higher :) )

IMO It would make sense if google determined its algo randomly, assigning different factors, different weights at different times.

How else would they keep ahead of the game?

By making it almost impossible to know *exactly* what the algo is, Googles users win.

SEOs shouldnt complain about this. IMO they should just continue to make use of good seo principles, and the benefits should follow through.

I think they are a sensible company, who know what they are doing, and we should trust them to get on with the job.

eyeinthesky

9:02 am on Nov 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Google's cache also seems to switch between "minty fresh" pages and stale pages quite frequently.

This will of course affect the SERPs.

Are they trying to confuse "hacking" SEOs or what?

jimmykav

10:40 am on Nov 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I have been checking googles serps every day for my primary keyword. Although ranked #1 on each occasion the number of results (based on the inbound link count) has never been consistant from one day, or even hour to the next.

It seems that for the last month Google is in a constant state of flux.

It also appears that they did do a tweak to the algo at the last update as my site dropped from PR 6 to PR 4 depsite adding more relevant content. But the PR dropped for all sites related to the keyword so the relative positions stayed the same.

lazerzubb

10:54 am on Nov 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

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IMO the Google SERP'S are still the best, and i think the quality for competitive serp's are higher that ever, i really don't check non-competitive keywords, it would just take to many years.

One thing that you can use to determine how important anchor text is in link (and that's an Off the page Factor)
You should take a look at:
How to use Allinanchor [webmasterworld.com]

It's a very usefull function.

drako

11:07 am on Nov 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

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hi jimmykav..

I also see this.... one hour i find 500 results in google for a keyword another hour i find 5000 results for the same keyword...started since the last update..... anyone else seeing this?

ciml

11:16 am on Nov 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Google's use of the META description instead of the snippet has been the case for a few months, see WebGuerrilla's thread [webmasterworld.com] on the subject.

allanp73, Google's results are harder to understand than they used to be. A number of factors come into this such as the Everflux and, IMO, server IP geolocation. This doesn't mean that the results are worse, just less predictable.

Google's result counts have been flaky for as long as I can remember.

Napoleon

11:28 am on Nov 20, 2002 (gmt 0)



>> ...one hour i find 500 results in google for a keyword another hour i find 5000 results... <<

I think a core part of the 'problem' is that Google has multiple data centers and they are in a constant state of flux. And sure.. their technology is wobbly from time to time as well.

One of my sites comes and goes for its main keyword. If I search it is gone. If I dial in from another ISP, it is there. If I go back to the first ISP it is there now. If I try a third ISP it is gone again. It is constantly there on www2 and www3.

I put this down to the possibility that the index at one or more of the centers has been backed up or shrunk for some reason. Each time I try (especially from different ISPs) I get a different center.

The likelihood is that it will be back in all centers next update. That is exactly what has happened in the past for several sites that have demonstrated the same behaviour.

Maybe I'm wrong.. maybe it is really something that went askew with a fresh crawl... but it does seem to be a tenable technical explanation... and I can't think of any others.

I think we have to remember that Google isn't perfect and that their physical technology is going to be stretched from time to time. When search engine technology is the core deliverable anomolies are bound to occur.

drako

12:10 pm on Nov 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

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hi Napoleon,

I wasn't complaining about it, just looking for an explanation....
Your explanation sounds very logical to me. Thanks.

The Toecutter

1:34 pm on Nov 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

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allanp73 wrote:

The results Google is producing are crap.

I have not noticed this. Did you see this behavior across many sites or just a small number? It is possible that the sites in question used to have relevant content and they were recently modified - but they have not been updated in Google yet (ie Google thinks they still have the relevant content). Look at the sites again in a month (relative to the keywords in question) and I bet they are gone.

John

allanp73

5:34 pm on Nov 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

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My main problem has been with "city widget" searches. I find that more empathsis is placed on the term widget then the entire term. I noticed that sites with few links and poor text rank very well. Many times the top ranked sites aren't even about the city, however they will have one link out that uses the city keyword.
I will sticky anyone who wants examples of searches which lead to crappy serps. (These are for major terms)

Scooty

5:43 pm on Nov 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

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"I use it for research purposes and I can't find anything anymore without weeding through dozens of useless results."

I agree, I can't believe the sites that are suggested when I search my keywords. These sites have not been prepared or dressed up for SE's and don't even relate to the topic I search for.

2_much

7:29 pm on Nov 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Ciml, what do you mean by this "server IP geolocation".

I think this is coming but can't find evidence of it being applied yet.

Lots0

7:38 pm on Nov 20, 2002 (gmt 0)



I also agree that the Google SERP have become crap.
Now maybe next month this will change and Google will again provide relevant results or maybe it won’t, but I see a LOT of results NOW that are not relevant IMO to the keywords being searched for.

jimmykav

8:55 pm on Nov 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I should have made clear in my original posting that I do not think the serps are below standard. I Still think Google has the best engine for general queries.

I was commenting on the permanent state of change in the SERP / link counts for a keyword. We had all come to expect some changes from search to search but Google usually settled down 1 week or 3 after an update. Now the flux is 24/7 and seems to last right through to the next update.

ciml

9:08 pm on Nov 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

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2_much, by server IP geolocation I refer to the theory that the September update changes to some travel related phrases are due to the server IP address not being in that country. The changes relaxed significantly in the October update, but they're still there.