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My Rankings Drop - What's wrong?

         

Yelanton

1:08 pm on Nov 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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First: Hello everybody.

Well, sorry for my enlgish.

I used to get good places in results page in google, I use some habitual techniques as, keyword density, themes and try to get inbound link using the keywords I use in my site.
From the october update I was dropped almost in all of my sites, and I began to study why I was dropped.
I have noticed, that my site have a higher PR than the first results and my sites have more inbound links,
even I have noticed than imbound links of the site listed before than me doesn't include the keywords wich this sites are listed...
Did Google become crazy?
Any suggestion?

thankyou very very much :)

chris_f

1:37 pm on Nov 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Welcome to WebmasterWorld,

I can't really shead any light on your situation, however, if you search for you url you should be able to see if your out of the database or penalised. Check your PR on the toolbar as well.

Chris

Yelanton

1:55 pm on Nov 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Thankyou for so fast answer.

I'm affraid of to have at least one site with a penalty of some sort, and this is affecting the others, but how can I discover which is the damage site?
How could I realize if one of my sites are penalised?

Yelanton

3:31 pm on Nov 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I've checked my sites, searching for my urls and all of them are listed and in the tool bar, all of them have PR5... This is increasing my doubts, can I site have PR5 and been penalized?

Thankyou again.

Terry_Plank

3:40 pm on Nov 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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[google.com...] is a good place for you to spend some time. There is considerable information here that is helpful. help@google.com is an email you can send a question to, but I have found that while I received an autoresponse from them, I did not find any follow up communication after that. In an article of Danny Sullivan's quoting a Google representative, they indicated that the volume of questions is too great to be able to attend to them.

One suggestion is to attend a conference where Google is in attendance and presenting. I have found that if you ask a specific question about a particular site, the representative will often ask you to come up after the session and give them a card and they will check try to address your specific question.

europeforvisitors

3:51 pm on Nov 13, 2002 (gmt 0)



It could just be that your pages are no longer scoring well in Google's algorithm for the keywords or keyphrases that you're searching on.

We've been told that Google weighs 100 different factors when determining search placement. So if--for example--Google gave more weight to keyword density and less weight to titles this month, that could make a big difference in search results.

I've seen one of my pages go to #1 for a very important two-word keyphrase while dropping from page 1 to page 3 of the search results for one of those words. That probably happened because of a change in Google's "on-page factors" algorithm, along with minor changes that I made to the page.

MeditationMan

9:41 pm on Nov 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hi Yelanton,

I'd had the same problems. My site seems to be better than most of the sites above me in terms of links, amount of content, etc.

Another thread ([webmasterworld.com ]) reports the same thing. It seemed to start two months ago with what many people think was a change in the algorithm.

The only clue anyone has been able to offer me so far is that the links pointing to the sites above me may have the main keyword more often than the links pointing to my site. I'm not entirely convinced about that myself, but I'll check it out and try to get sites linking to me to use my main keyword in their links to me.

If you figure anything out, do let us know.

Bodhipaksa

Yelanton

9:26 am on Nov 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hello again, and thankyou for your help.

Obviously I've studied the sites with better ranking than me. and It's courious, all the links pointing to my site use the two-words-key phraze I choose, however I realize that the site above mine, all the inbound like it has only one of the two words.
I don't think that the keyword density is the main criteria for this moth, because in fact my density in this site is a bit higher than the other one, and other of my sites wich has only the two-words-key phraze in an outbound anchor text, is listed not far from my other site.
It gives me a clue (not proved), outboud anchor text is counting to rank a site.

Any suggestion else?.

redzone

3:12 pm on Nov 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Yelanton,
Many SE algorithms seem to target importance of one word more than another when ranking web pages.

Take the example: advertising companies

The algorithm may deem the word advertising to be more important than the word companies.

So, pages that are more geared to the word "advertising" rise to the top.

Keyword density of the "exact" targeted phrase, and PR don't always equate to top rankings. We've seen some PR2 pages do very well, in extemely competitive terms. One two word phrase I recently viewed had a a page w/ a PR2 that ranked #14 out of approx. 3 million pages..

Google is a "moving" target, and the only static factor is relevant content seems to stay near the top, in "most" areas. If you use the same keyword density, and "magic" formula for all of your URL's, then expect the situation you currently have. Why don't you try different approaches, on different pages. Then with a PR5, you are always going to have Google traffic.

MeditationMan

4:10 pm on Nov 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Redzone:

Many SE algorithms seem to target importance of one word more than another when ranking web pages.

Take the example: advertising companies

The algorithm may deem the word advertising to be more important than the word companies.

As far as I can see, the only way Google sees one term as being more important than another is if it's first in your search string. But how would this relate to Yelanton's drop since October (not to mention my own site's drop?)

Google is a "moving" target, and the only static factor is relevant content seems to stay near the top, in "most" areas.

The problem seems to be that relevant content no longer seems to stay near the top. Several people have found it to be the case that their sites have dropped despite having good page rank, more content than the sites above them, more links than the sites above them and equal or better quality links.

This is a puzzle, and so far no-one has been able to suggest a remedy that holds water.

Bodhipaksa

Yelanton

8:33 am on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Thanks to everybody.

to discuss this kind of themes helps everyone, I think.

anyway as many points of views will be better for all of us to put all the pieces of the puzzle. :)