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If the site is banned from Google it does NOT have a PR0! It is not in Google at all.
PR0 sites are still included in the Google index and are spidered. It is even possible to redeem the site and get your PR back (with difficulty) as the PR is given through an automated process (usually).
A ban means the site is out of the Google spidering loop completely until the ban is lifted by a human (usually).
So either the domain has a PR0 for a tainted past or was and is banned - it can't be both at the same time.
[edited by: Yidaki at 9:43 am (utc) on Sep. 22, 2002]
Yidaki, that's another site. This one has a hyphen in the domain. Makes you think twice about hyphenated domain names.
I apologize for the subject drift.
AAnn
Please note: I don't mean to imply that the site in question is a blatant copy.
You're right, you should be able to get 2 or 3 months of traffic out of this and put the the victim( the site that is plagiarized) through the same hoops that the "last guy" did until you get a legit ban...after all, you really are entitled to the benefit of the doubt....ya right.
I do totally agree with it being bad form and frown upon it very much...but its really no different than placing your real world shop right next door to Harrods, cos you know lots of people will come there and might spill over...
Just as its not really as different from a fast food van parking near a big attraction...as they will recieve and take advantage of the peripheral traffic...
that said - its still a little sad...
Just as its not really as different from a fast food van parking near a big attraction...as they will recieve and take advantage of the peripheral traffic...
That is what carbuyingtips is doing. That's just good business, providing a service for people that want it.
car-buyingtips bought a van painted it the same, got the same menu and tried to park in front of a van that was already there. Bad form? yes. Bad business? hmm
I don't think he should expect much business from Google.
Your point is well taken... However, it must be qualified.
For instance, locating next to Harrods and enjoying spillover is one case.
Locating next to Harrods, and naming your shop Harrod-s is another.
Again, I would like to point out that this comment is not meant to impugn the web site that this thread is a topic of, nor am I implying that it is a rip-off of someone else's site. You make up your own mind as to those points.
:)
[edited by: martinibuster at 6:00 pm (utc) on Sep. 22, 2002]
I really don't think it should be banned from google if there is no complaint registered from the other site. On the other hand, I'm not sure if he is worth the effort for google to remove an old ban if he can't put in the effort to create new content.
But he also isn't going to receive a whole lot of sympathy here if he can't come up with all new content.
But it isn't quite as clear about PR0 penalties. Some of the PR0 seem to get lifted relatively soon when alterations are made, some seem to last on and on, maybe permanent.
I'm wondering what the difference would be between getting a domain name that's been banned or PR0 and not removed - whether a totally new site, different linking, etc. would still retain PR0 with a new owner.
It looks from googleguys comments that if a site has been removed for egregious issues, that resurrection is not available.
Probably not fair to the person who bought the domain, but after reading this thread in it's entirety, it's clear that google has to draw some pretty hard lines.
There was a time you could request permanent removal, now I believe it only lasts 3 months by request.
Marcia, you're talking about when site operators themselves request removal of a site or pages? If so, the way I believe that works is that it's a 90-day removal if googlebot doesn't find a properly placed (in the site's document root) robots.txt that excludes the relevant pages.
From [google.com ]:
Google will continue to exclude your site or directories from successive crawls if the robots.txt file exists in the web server root. If you do not have access to the root level of your server, you may place a robots.txt file at the same level as the files you want to remove. Doing this and submitting via the automatic URL removal system will cause a temporary, 90 day removal of your site from the Google index.
(Somewhat off topic to this thread, but seemed worth a clarification!)
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Jay, there was a time the person controlling a site could have it removed permanently. It's changed.
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Today I spotted this paragraph in our standard website maintenance agreement that might give an explanation. Maybe carbuyingtips web host or design company placed that correspondence on his site:
"The website operator shall retain the right... ...to suspend availability of the Website, place a prominent notice on the Website where an allegation of defamation or Intellectual Property Right infringement is made by a third party or place a link on the Website to another Website containing the alleger’s version of events..." etc.
Anyway, that's enough hypothesizing from me for one day, and thank God I've been able to do it anonymously!
Watch out for PR0 but other then that its worth the risk.
Is there any danger in buying an about to expire domain name that ranks highly in Google for an important keyword and redirecting it to a new site.
In addition, if I obtain it and redirect it to my site, will the incoming links for the expired domain be counted for the site which I redirect it to?
Having fun reading the update thread , huh? :)
