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creep

12:09 am on Oct 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Been seeing major changes on www3 and 2 all day...At least from this I'm seeing PR meaning nothing. Hope this isnt the preview...anyone seeing this?

Chef_Brian

12:13 am on Oct 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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back links tells the story ....

as of right now I am not seeing any update or back links change on all google servers.

Chef Brian

creep

12:15 am on Oct 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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It's really wierd this time..Only on about half the queries that i monitor are showing changes. Showing strange algo with no PR factor at all

Sasquatch

12:21 am on Oct 24, 2002 (gmt 0)



It's the new "we'll give SK back his PR algo" ;)

biggles

12:44 am on Oct 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Seems to vary on search phrase.

eg. "search engine optimisation" (UK spelling) - www, ww1 & ww3 all give diff results.

But a search with the US spelling "search engine optimiztion" gives identical results on all 3.

creep

1:05 am on Oct 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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his differes in that normally pre update ww2,ww3,www differences are normally across the board for all terms...this is selective..

percentages

4:07 am on Oct 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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www2 and www3 definately have some updated results, but it does depend on the search term used. I tried regional searches, City1 widgets gave a brand new set of results, while City2 widgets & City3 widgets were still showing the same as www.

I have a theory that Google does a portion of the update in dmoz order, when it gets to the regional section of dmoz some sites will be processed first and this accounts for the change in some areas.

As for the areas that have been updated on www2 & www3 the PR values are being totally ignored. I am seeing PR2 and PR3 pages in the top 10 when usually only PR5+ sites get on page 1.

I believe G goes back and deals with PR later before moving to www. If not we are going to have a very exciting month as most of my updated categories are filled with pages that are generated as results from their site's search scripts and were never meant to be entry pages. I just looked at the top 10 in one cat and only 2 of them had the navigation systems loaded on the entry pages, they are nearly all script generated pages that were meant to be framed.....LOL.

If G leaves it this way I will be delighted, the spam problem has gone and now 8 of my competitors have page 1 sites indexed with totally unusable entry pages!

Wishful thinking I believe, I'm fairly sure PR will be back in the next couple of days before we see this on www.

I think what is currently shown as updated on www2 & www3 should be seen as a work in progress. Now if only I could figure out how long that might take I could win a new mouse mat ;)

Brett_Tabke

5:51 am on Oct 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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normal everflux stuff - sites just being updated on the fly.

DaveN

11:55 am on Oct 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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everflux effect?

could this cause this problem did search in google.com for
printer parts (not my area) site showed 972,000 i thought thats funny it was 1,290,000 yesterday, so I went to the co.uk and sure enough they report 1,290,000 sites. 318,000 sites dropped from the index thats alot.

so I also went to a customers sites (across the business park 1 minute) google.com was showing the 1,290,000.

the main problem that i have with this is.

A: 972,000 SERP's full of rubbish a dvd site and pdf user guide for a inkjet printer in the top ten.
b: alot of non uk/us site - .ru .de

any ideas

DaveN

ciml

12:23 pm on Oct 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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The results counts change depending on which Google server you reach (this is presumably in part due to the Google Everflux [webmasterworld.com]).

The most reliable way of spotting an update so far has been comparing backlink searches. A growing proportion of people just wait for the WebmasterWorld home page to declare the update.

See also Lazerzubb's [url=http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum3/3726.htm]Google Update FAQ.

nervous_seo

12:26 pm on Oct 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I have seen many many changes on the serps for several travel related keywords between www2 and www.

They are not minor changes but rather radical changes and lots of irrelevant serps are appearing - even worse than last months serps

Everflux as I understand are only minor changes - what I am seeing are MAJOR changes.

Lots of my internal pages are showing up but my main domain pages are nowhere to be found.

ciml

1:51 pm on Oct 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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> changes on the serps for several travel related keywords

I agree nervous_seo. Not the update, but not everflux either.

CuriousWeb

1:57 pm on Oct 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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perhaps testing algos?

nervous_seo

2:12 pm on Oct 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Whatever it is I sincerely hope these new serps dont stick but I have a funny feeling that they will :(

taxpod

2:18 pm on Oct 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Don't get nervous, nervous_seo. The band might be tuning but there's nobody on the dance floor.

Just check back links on "Yahoo.com" on WWW, WWW2, and WWW3. That should tell the story. Actually just link an alarm up to the Webmasterworld home page. If you go by what appears there, you can only possibly miss the actual start of the dance by moments.

c1bernaught

2:26 pm on Oct 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I've been seeing tons of changes between www2 and www3 since yesterday afternoon, but only for about 30% of the searches I've conducted. I think we're just seeing some pre-dance activity.

nervous_seo

2:47 pm on Oct 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Taxpod

I know that the main update has'nt started yet and that the back links for Yahoo on www2 and www are the same,

but please believe me - I am seeing major changes on certain keywords(travel) and not on others.

Try out one example yourself "Antalya hotels" - test it on www and www2

Look forward to anyones explanation.

needsomehelp

2:51 pm on Oct 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Wow, there is a big difference for those terms. I don't see any other changes in rankings though.

CuriousWeb

2:54 pm on Oct 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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nervous_seo

I think they could be testing algos on certain sections of the database. If they are they could be using part of the algo and then adding/taking off certain rules to see what works best. I wouldn't worry too much at the moment...

taxpod

2:56 pm on Oct 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I, too, see the difference for this search. I think it's fair to say that this is part of either the everflux or an algo test. Like I said, that's just the band tuning.

I just don't want to see anyone panicking or running to the bar just yet. There's plenty of time for that later. I've got a box of tissues all ready for my crying jags when the actual dance starts.

creative craig

3:02 pm on Oct 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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This is still only a few differences though compared to when the dance truly begins, still the band tuning and people picking their partners for the first dance! :)

nervous_seo

3:03 pm on Oct 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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My main concern is that everytime I have seen differences on www2 before the update they stay that way after the update. And what I am seeing now is BAAAAAAD and lots of irrelevant garbage.

I have tested many terms and am seeing many differences.

:( :( :( :(

ikbenhet1

3:06 pm on Oct 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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everyting that's said can be true.

but keep in minds that as long as the number of backlinks don't change you're looking to a 'uncomplete' index. These results will change when the new sites get added.

CuriousWeb

3:09 pm on Oct 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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my best advice would be to stop looking...reduces anxiety :).

the dance might not start for days yet which could lead to an unnecessary amount of worrying..

out of our hands now...

nervous_seo

3:16 pm on Oct 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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my best advice would be to stop looking...reduces anxiety

Best advice I ever had :) but be realistic, I need to know asap whether I can afford to feed my kids this month :)

CuriousWeb

4:07 pm on Oct 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I know what you mean nervous_seo

This is only my 3rd dance. First one I stumbled into the middle of so that was OK but last time I must have checked my preferred dance tool 100+ times a day for the week before the dance which did me no good at all. So I decided this time to wait until it is announced here as they are quick enough.

(Still anxious, just not as much)

jackofalltrades

4:17 pm on Oct 24, 2002 (gmt 0)



Does anyone know if its a boy or girl yet?

Oh, wait...sorry...wrong thread ;)

JOAT

CuriousWeb

4:20 pm on Oct 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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JOAT

Didn't it used to be tradition to go to the pub whilst waiting.

Good idea. :)

jackofalltrades

4:22 pm on Oct 24, 2002 (gmt 0)



Anyone got a cigar handy?

born2drv

6:57 pm on Oct 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Monitoring my search terms, I am dissapointed where Google is going with this update so far, especially since I leaped so high up last time around.

I know it's not set in stone, and that the MAJOR update hasn't started yet, but it still can't be a good sign to see all my rankings dropping significantly in the pre-update alpha beta :)

What's the general consensus regarding what people see pre-update with what they see after the update? Is it any indication AT ALL of what will come?