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No PR, No back links found

What have I done wrong?

         

OldFatherTime

12:50 pm on Oct 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I've read the FAQs and have spent the past couple of weeks ensuring that my (very small) site validates and does as little as possible to offend person or bots. The site is in dmoz, and presumably because of that, appears in the Google directory. The site does appear in other indexes such as AV, MSN etc

Appropriate search terms do not return the site from Google.

An 'artificial' search for the site name produces several pages of results with links to my site. All of these links contain my site's url in 'plain' html - nothing hidden or asp or whatever.

But still no backward links and the site itself is not in the index - so - I must be committing some sort of cardinal sin - just don't know what it is...

Any opinions or advice beyond 'hit the faqs' would be extremely welcome,
Thanks Guys and Gals...

Dino_M

12:57 pm on Oct 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Google only shows backlinks from pages with a PR of 4 or over!

sticky me your url and I will have a gander.

o and welcome farther time

bet some one beats me to this post!

DaveN

1:00 pm on Oct 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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is your domain a .co.uk or .com or is it a .co.za

DaveN

ukgimp

1:06 pm on Oct 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hello OFT

Welcome to WebmasterWorld

Your in the dmoz, so that is cool.

Now depending on when you got listed and appeared in the dmoz you may have to wait a while to appear in google. If you dont already know google updates monthly, towards the end of the month and crawls during the rest of the month. If your site was not found early enough you may not appear in this update. Chances are you will appear in the next one towards the end of this month.

Another thing, you may not see backward link unless you have a site that has a PR of around 4 (high 3 apparently).

So give it a few weeks and I am sure you will have a result. :)

So rest easy at the moment, sit back and wait

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OldFatherTime

1:21 pm on Oct 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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So, no back links unless you're aver a certain PR... I guess I didn't hit the FAQs as well as I should have...

Thing is - it's hard to keep on waiting - you constantly ask yourself "what if it's something else that I'm missing..."

DaveN

1:27 pm on Oct 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Your home page redirects to defaut2.html the keyword here is redirects.

your homapage is blank,nothing for the spider to follow replace the redirect page with your homepage(default2.html)

DaveN

OldFatherTime

1:33 pm on Oct 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Sorry about that DaveN, my e-mail on my profile is from another site that I run - I've mailed u the problem url,

Thanks

DaveN

1:43 pm on Oct 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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No problem,

how new is the site?

Sometimes google will add you to its directory before adding you to the index i would try and get some strong PR5 and pr6 sites linking to you also one or two links from your othersite would do you any harm.

DaveN

But the site looks clean you should not have a problem

OldFatherTime

1:48 pm on Oct 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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The site is about 2 years old - I'm pretty certain that it used to be returned with related searches - but that was some months ago. The changes that I've made to the site have been in terms of content update and validation. The graphics have changed substantially but the navigation (in terms of the number of pages and actual urls) has changed little if at all.

Thanks for having a look - I guess I need to take a few more patience pills <g>

cornwall

4:57 pm on Oct 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Assuming that I have tracked you down to the correct site, H..........co.za, I see what you mean.

The site is in DMOZ on a page with PR4, but your site, while therefore being in the Google Directory, has a PR of zero, and the "link;..." query gives no results.

I used to think that this was because the site had been a "bad boy" in some way. But the same thing happened to one of my sites a couple of months ago. ie for no good reason it just got a PR0. Like you, I could find no reason for the reversion to PR0.

You can try emailing Google, but I would doubt that you would get a reply. My guess is like me you will have to wait a few months for whatever "sin" (real or imagined) that has been committed has been expunged from Google.

PS. It looks very nice there!

fathom

5:14 pm on Oct 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Welcome to WebmasterWorld OldFatherTime.

If cornwall is correct on the listing it sounds like your page is a PR2 or 3 since the DMOZ category listing is on a PR4 page.

Remember that Google doesn't backlink to PR3's or less, this is superimposed in the Google directory thus showing PR0 when in fact your page probably has a 2 or maybe 3.

If you go through any Google Category you will never see a PR 1 - 3

just PR4's above or PR0. You get the credit for the listing quality of DMOZ thus being displayed in Google but nothing more.

What does your Google tool bar read?

Noximus

6:09 pm on Oct 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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i've the same problem .i'm waiting for the next update also , i think renewal of index of google will occure at the end of this month. i've got one question to every body : if the pages on which incoming links are set have been already registered by google have less then PR2, will googlebot trace that links to my new website and iclude it to its index? (besides, this sites which are already registered are free like something.freeservers.com). what do you think about this question?

cornwall

6:47 pm on Oct 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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If you go through any Google Category you will never see a PR 1 - 3

Thats not in fact correct. If you look at OldFatherTimes profile (for the sake of arguement) and go to the appropriate Google Directory listing you will see that there are 4 hotels with PR3 as well as the 3 (including his) with no PR given. (If you then look at his site in your Google tool bar its grey for PR)

Sorry to be so eliptical, but I am always getting "snipped" for giving actual links!

fathom

7:20 pm on Oct 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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No problem here -- decoded the message and off to the races.

OldFatherTime I stand corrected.

fathom

7:58 pm on Oct 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Googlebot hasn't visited the site (most likely). Google directory is fed by DMOZ RDF.

Give her time... googlebot will come.

cornwall

8:33 pm on Oct 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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decoded the message and off to the races.

Never ceases to amaze me how much one can learn about people on the web with very little information to start with.:)

fathom

8:44 pm on Oct 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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My Startrek tricorder helped alot!

OldFatherTime

5:17 am on Oct 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Sorry about the break - 20 eager German tourists to look after!

I'm beginning to wonder if there is possibly another issue here, other than waiting for the bots to do their job and draw the (hopefully) correct conclusions.

Is it reasonable to expect every small "mom and pop" website in the world to be in some way indexed and searchable? Is there (somewhere in the algo) a critical mass type of number which says that until I've found 'x' links in and out of the site then you just don't exist?

I assume that the best way of spending my waiting time is by developing links with other related sites.

The site was visited by googlebot about 3 days ago and robots.txt is taking a few hits so there is definitely something going on!

cornwall

8:30 am on Oct 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

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My Startrek tricorder helped alot!

I am not altogether convinced that the Tricorder is the ideal tool for this exercise

"Together, these sensors allow the Medical Tricorder to make very detailed diagnosis on known species. On unknown species, it is limited to telling if the life-form is sick or dying. A detailed analysis is not possible in such a situation. Effective range is about three yards. "

cornwall

8:40 am on Oct 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Is there (somewhere in the algo) a critical mass type of number which says that until I've found 'x' links in and out of the site then you just don't exist?

Experience tells me that this may be the case. And it may be that the threshold value for minimum number of links varies from time to time as the algorithm changes. In other words you may be in Google with a low PR, then algo changes, you fall below minimum number required after algo change and you drop to PR0...

You certainly should develop links. My search engine submission tools show a number of specialist South African sources. You should obviously make sure that you are on all local directories and engines.