Forum Moderators: open

Message Too Old, No Replies

Single keyword ranking vs two keywords

From number 1 to oblivion

         

SlyOldDog

11:48 am on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



Can anyone here enlighten me as to why my site ranks top for nearly all two keyword combinations of my choice e.g. "Location widgets", but is on the 15th page for the single "Location" keyword?

We have decent pagerank and our site comes way below irrelevant sites with lower pagerank.

The keyword appears several times on the page/site. In addition to many backlinks containing the 2 keyword combination, the site has many internal links with just "location".

I am baffled.

Damian

12:02 pm on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



Don't know the answer to your question..just wanted to mention that 'location' is probably much less targeted then 'location widget'..maybe you shouldn't worry about it...the reverse situation would probably be worse in terms of sales.

Are your competitors for 'location widgets' also on top for just 'location'? If so, research what they do..:)..if not...all the more reason not to worry about it.

just my 2 cents..

fathom

12:14 pm on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member Top Contributors Of The Month



A little thing call "density" and much more competition on the single word.

In addition, and in most cases the single keyword is more likely to get you that much less targeted traffic.

A good example is "software" -- if you consider all the various types of software available -- +90% of your traffic would be coming to find that you don't have what they want and although its great to say "I'm #1 and getting 20 million visitors per day" but only 20 people are actually interested in "how it make ice-cream software" all that dissatified traffic will remember your domain -- but for the wrong reason.

Keep looking for additional 2 word phrases in your niche (you will slowly move up on the single word as well).

JonnyWales

12:24 pm on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



I have had a similar massive drop in ranking but even more puzzling. Last month I was 11th for my main 2-word keyword eg. BUSINESS WIDGET and 55th for the secondary 1-word keyword eg. BUSINESS.

This month I am 42nd for the same 1-word keyword (higher position but very low traffic) but have dropped to 133rd for the 2-word keyword, so for some reason (please tell me GG) the logical argument :-

"A little thing called "density" and much more competition on the single word. "

doesn't apply to me! Thank god it's Friday ....

hmpphf

12:46 pm on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



My experience of this is that trying to rank well on a bunch of two word phrases is often relatively easy - making specific pages for each variation. Make sure you've got loads of PR to play with, and make sure it flows in the right direction (it should be obvious from the way I phrased this that I try to treat pagerank intuitively, and don't concentrate too much on it).

However, my longest running personal site (started in '96) targets one particular word. I've always floated between first and fifth place in Google for that one phrase, and done everything in my power for about 5 years to associate my website with that one word. It's worth observing that it's not a commercially hard fought for word, so the competition could be a lot fiercer. I feel quite sorry for the visitors that I get to my site because I'm sure about 80% leave feeling confused and disappointed. But hey, I rank well so that's all that matters.

In retrospect I think that I inadvertenty built my site around the concept of themeing, so maybe that's a subject you could investigate, if you haven't done so already.

Another thought, after seeing the recent thread about Brett's A-Z of building a website for Google (which has made me reappraise a lot of what I think over the last few days) is that really what everyone should be doing is to focus on writing 500 amazing words a day for their site. Do that for six months or a year and you should find all your other worries will fall into place.

SlyOldDog

4:52 pm on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



Thanks for the replies. I actually would like to rank top for the location because 1% of people searching for the keyword are looking for my widgets.

Most of the sites on the first page should be there. I mean the local newspaper, universities and such like. What baffles me though is my extremely poor performance. And yes, my competitors rank better than me....even the product wholesalers who don't specialize in my location. I kick these other sites' asses for the hot keyword combinations.

My keyword density for the location is ok - within the limits that have been discussed in another thread here.

It's not really that important. It's just a niggle and shows there is a lot to learn - especially about targetting single keywords.