Page Listing with a manual submit

[gsmitchell]

I'm fairly new to this message board so please bear with me.
I was talking to someone recently and he mentioned to me that if you manually submit to Google that they will punish you and not give your listing as high a ranking as they would if they found your listing in Yahoo, Dmoz etc. Does anyone know if this is true?

Thanks

[jaytierney]

As far as I know this is not true. However, I have noticed that your site will be added to Google's database MUCH slower than if it were discovered by a link on another web site.

[conor]

There is NO penalty for manual submit, if it weren't this way it would be really easy to hurt competitors by submitting their URL's!

The best way to be listed in Google is to be linked from a site already indexed. DMOZ and Y! listings will get you in for sure as well.

Have a read of the "Google knowledge base" [webmasterworld.com] and Brett's "Sucessful site in twelve months with Google alone" [webmasterworld.com]

[rfgdxm1]

Actually, there are advantages to starting with a manual submit. Presumably, you wouldn't want your site linked to until you at least got enough up that it would make usable indexable content. Being in Google doesn't mean much if it is just one page of the "Coming soon at this URL..." type. As soon as you get something acceptable up, then immediately manually submit to the major SEs, and then immediately afterwards work on getting inbound links from other sites. Any site that gets into Google via manual submit will have a PR of 0. Gonna be very hard to find unless it is really on some arcane topic with little competition for searches on likely search terms. To get anywhere with Google requires decent PR.

The first links you should try for would be from pages with a high PR that you know you can easily get a link from. If your cousin Fred has a page blessed with a PR of 5, ASK him for a link. PR is PR, regardless if the linking page is not on topic. Then work on getting links from other sites on the same topic, and ODP and other directory listings. Getting these other links and directory listings might take longer than cousin Fred's page, which is where cousin Fred comes in useful.

[Chris_R]

Google doesn't list sites that have no links to them on the web (backlinks on google are not what I am talking about)

If you have a link to yoursite - from a site in google - they will find you and index you.

The only advantage to US sites is POSSIBLY getting in the index one cycle earlier.

You won't be penalized - and people never believe this anyway - so go ahead and submit.

Just remember to think like google.

Would google PENALIZE you for submitting your site? No - for the reasons already mentioned.

It doesn't matter how many times you submit - if you don't have links to your site - you aren't going anywhere anyway.

[Beachboy]

Gsmitchell:

Unless things have changed over the last year or so, the submit-penalty was over at Inktomi, not Google.

And rfgdxm1, tell cousin Fred you will remember him in your will. Question: How do you pronounce "rfgdxm1"? ;)

[rfgdxm1]

>Unless things have changed over the last year or so, the submit-penalty was over at Inktomi, not Google.

Right. It would be totally silly for Google to have a manual submit ability of they had a policy of ignoring all submissions except those that would have got in anyway because of inbound links. The Google algo WRT PageRank takes care of pages with no inbound links well: they aren't gonna score high unless they are one of the few pages that matches the query.

>And rfgdxm1, tell cousin Fred you will remember him in your will. Question: How do you pronounce "rfgdxm1"?

Heh. I didn't need a cousin Fred. My site was in the ODP even before I really even thought about search engines. However, the logic of starting off with inbound links from the site's of relatives and friends who have pages that are indexed in most search engines is a good one. Lots of little personal sites that have been around for years are in all search engines that count. Thus no need to manual submit; all the search engines will find you by spidering. Some even have decent PageRank because they got a good inbound link from somewhere. PageRank is PageRank, no matter how you get it. And, getting relatives to link to you is probably more honest than outright buying PageRank. The Yahoo directory could be seen largely as the latter.

And you don't pronounce rfgdxm1. It actually should be "rfgdxm". Sometime long ago I registered here and lost the password, and started over again as rfgdxm1. rfgdxm ended up being chosen because of what I am mainly known for posting about on Usenet. (A quick check of the URL in my profile here should make it obvious how rfgdxm was chosen.) It is so unique that it can be used with Google Groups as part of a search term for anyone looking for my posts specifically.

[gsmitchell]

Thanks everyone for the information. I was a little surprised when I was told this. That is why I came here in hopes of verifying. I'm really glad I found this place!:)