PR4 with internal links, can that be so?

[zeus]

We must all agree that this update is a little different then usual and I even think the update is still going on because I see different results in www - www3.

This update has given me a PR0, that means I can not see any of my back links, when I do a link check and I got some great back links from PR5 - PR7, those are listed in this Google update, so I gues that Google just made some mistakes.

Here the last days my page showed up on some of my keywords not as good as before update, but they are there and if I check the PR it is still PR0, but the cache(sep4) is PR4 but still no back links, that must mean that my internal links give me a PR4, because I would not show up at these keywords if I had a PR0.

So am I right on this, No back links but a PR4 on the cache.

zeus

[SebastianX]

> the cache(sep4) is PR4
That's not your PR, the cached page is served from Google's server, e.g. 216.239.51.100 is Google's IP.

> that must mean that my internal links give me a PR4
Internal votes from low ranked or penalized pages won't give you a PR4.

> I can not see any of my back links
Try a quoted search for your domain name and Google delivers most pages linking to you.

When you're searching at www2 and www3 the PR slider still shows the PR from the main index.

I hope that helps a little

[zeus]

Thanks, but I know that the cache is on a google server and about the PR4 that must be mine because I would not have the ranking I had now with a PR0 for sure, because before this update I had a good PR4 and was just ranked a little better then now and before my cache has a PR4 I was many pages away from now.

About the back links I mean the Links over PR4, because that are the only ones that are listed if you make a link check. The other links like internal links, I can see when I type site:mydoman "keyword" then I got about 356 links back.

zeus

[SebastianX]

> about the PR4 that must be mine because I would not have the ranking I had now with a PR0 for sure

I may be wrong guessing that's wishful thinking.

> because I would not have the ranking I had now with a PR0 for sure

Ranking on the SERPs and PageRank is not the same. If you provide content related to the search term you can outrank a site with higher PR.

[zeus]

Ranking on the SERPs and PageRank is not the same. If you provide content related to the search term you can outrank a site with higher PR.

I know, but I had a good PR4 before with good ranking, then the update came and I got PR0 and was gone from all search of my keywords but then I got a new cache from sep4 and I showed up on my keywords not that good as before but still there and then I saw the cache was PR4 but the site is still PR0 with no PR4 links back.

zeus

[SebastianX]

PR0 is not always a penalty, perhaps you weren't spidered.

Check the fresh and everflux threads:
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[zeus]

ohh I have been spidered and I dont have a penalty, I dont think Google gives PR penalty it would be easyer to delete the site instead.

I will try to say it this way, I have a cache from sep4 with PR4 and the org. site is PR0 but how can I have a PR4 in cache when Google does not show all my back links over PR4 to me, when I make a link chek so that must be the internal links, before the update I had a PR4.

Damn I dont know how explain this sorry.

zeus

[SebastianX]

> before the update I had a PR4
> the org. site is PR0
> I dont have a penalty
Evidence? May be all pages linking to you lost their PR or weren't crawled OR the page in question wasn't crawled OR you're penalized.

> I dont think Google gives PR penalty it would be easyer to delete the site instead.
Plain wrong.

> I have a cache from sep4 with PR4
> how can I have a PR4 in cache
You should ignore the PR displayed for a cached page. The PR of the page cached by Google is a 'guessed' PR for a page on Google's domain. It has nothing to do with the PR of your page.

> the org. site is PR0
> Google does not show all my back links over PR4 to me
Google does not show your inbound links because your page has PR0

> so that must be the internal links
What 'must be the internal links'? Your internal links do not influence the PR of the cached page.
What do you define as an 'internal link'? Links from many domains you own? Links from other pages on the domain in question?

[zeus]

SebastianX its great you take the time get this right, thanks.

Ok, the cache could be a guess from Google.

We take 2 questions/discussion at a time.

1.Why is my links back to me gone from the last update I have some great PR5-PR7 linking to me and they are spidered and updated in the Google directory and there sites are still linking to me with a great PR5-PR7?

1a. My thoughts are they made a mistake, because why should I have got a penalty I do nothing wrong.

2 Why is my site back in ranking with a PR0, not as good as before but still ok. It is not possible with a PR0, I have tried that before and the sites around has min.PR4. My keywords show up on sites with 400.000 - 1.900.000 pages.

2a.Thats why I think the cache PR4 maybe is what my page get later in this update, but just dont show yet.

zeus

P.s I can see now that my website moves between www and www3, so sometimes my site is totaly out of ranking we talk about 100 page away like a real PR0 page in my categorie.

[SebastianX]

> 1.Why is my links back to me gone from the last update I have some great PR5-PR7 linking to me and they are spidered and updated in the Google directory and there sites are still linking to me with a great PR5-PR7?

Because link:http://www.yourdomain.com/yourpage.html does not show inbound links for URLs ranked below PR4.

> 1a. My thoughts are they made a mistake, because why should I have got a penalty I do nothing wrong.

IF you're really penalized, you did something Google dislikes. Apply Google's rules, not your understanding of right and wrong. Just guessing:
You may think it's natural to interlink your domains, from Google's POV that's link spam if it proliferates. You may think it's a good idea to link to all your domains from every page, Google determines that's link spam. You may not check the 3rd party URLs you're linking to, Google found links to bad neighborhoods on your page and penalized your page because you're responsible for your outgoing links. And so on, search this forum and you'll find more possible reasons.

> 2 Why is my site back in ranking with a PR0, not as good as before but still ok. It is not possible with a PR0, I have tried that before and the sites around has min.PR4. My keywords show up on sites with 400.000 - 1.900.000 pages.

Because Google adds fresh crawled pages on the fly between major updates. Lots of this URLs outrank established sites with PR4+ while the toolbar shows PR0. That does indicate your site wasn't crawled (completely) for the last update and will reappear soon. However, it may be a penalty, we both don't know.

> 2a.Thats why I think the cache PR4 maybe is what my page get later in this update, but just dont show yet.

Again: nope.

[zeus]

My back links are all over PR4 thats for sure, so thats why it is so wierd why they dont show up on a link back to me.

I do not have multi domains, same color text, linking to bad sites and all the other stuff.

Maybe I did get this PR0 because my site wassent fully spidered this time and the other big sites that are linking to me was also not spidered fully.

Its a wierd thing, but I must say Im not new at this, it is just sometime difficult for me to explain the situation, Im not from the USA or England.

zeus

[zeus]

Now Im not to be found any where but I am in the index, but a search on my keywords give no results, this is absolutly the worst update ever first a PR0 for no reson then in and out of this index with no back links even if I got quality PR4 - PR7 links pointing to me.

That what I realy hate about this I want to know why, so I can make the changes or just think ok they made a mistake this time, that can happen for everybody. Now I can just wait for the next update and see what happens and if the same thing happens again with PR0 and so on I can wait again.

zeus