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I would like to know how long a PR0 Penalty lasts. Could it be that the site will never get any PR, so that I should buy a new Domain as fast as possible? Does linking from a not-penalised Domain to a penalised domain give penalties to both Domains? Only because I set a link to a penalized Domain? This would be rather unfair, wouldn't it?
Greets
greg
My PR0 domain was one of the first, and it has held that position proudly ever since. It was also one of the ones with the +20 penalty, if you're familiar with that, around July 5 or July 6, 2001.
I've made changes here and there, but nothing can help it, so it seems. So the answer to your first question is that there are domains around that got hit initially, and have not recovered since.
I do have a domain that links to the same PR0 domain that I mentioned. It has not been hurt yet. It's been up since April or May and linking to the PR0 from the start. No problems so far.
This would be rather unfair, wouldn't it?
If this just happened with this update or last and you can determine what it was that actually incurred the penalty, I would fix it immediately and watch for the Sep or Oct update to see if the penalty was lifted. Otherwise, it might be prudent to start over again - unless income isn't a factor and you just love watching and waiting ;)
Hopefull they will remove such panelties in near future.
What caused it originally? Some ancient (2 year old) cross linking (I think). I had to go through a whole load of domains I'd pretty much forgotten about and sort the mess out. Then it took about 2 months for the beginning of my rehabilitation!
If you remember the +20 penalty, that wasn't pagerank, that was just a plus20 in your serp. For example, if you were in the top 1-10, you could expect to find yourself on page 3, from 21-30. That's why it was called +20. You could give NFFC your search term, and he could tell you the domain that you owned. Amazing. I'd love for my site to get that +20 again. Much better than PR0.
For a low ranker like mine (although it got to PR4) it's stayed at PR0 since. It would be hard to determine, but now I'm thinking there's a PR/3 (read PR divided by 3) or something out there.
All speculation anyway.
As I have been getting NO HITS from google sources these past months thought I might try the "index re-boot" someone said had worked for a number of their sites. (i.e. excluding googlebot from ALL your pages for 6-8 weeks.)
Now where was that forum thread??
so I had to use one my own tools. Never used flash, but can you redirect using flash?
[added]
OK, I see, disable plugins also in opera.
Answers my own question.
Some penalties expire with time, and some are permanent. I believe one load of penalties is set to expire next month, for example.
Some penalties expire with time, and some are permanent. I believe one load of penalties is set to expire next month, for example
Cool! :)
I've one penalty that's lasted over 10 months but 2 others have crept back to a fat 5 and 6 through their own steam (I think - the 'Plex/GG may of helped 'cos they are kind like that...) They took about 3-4 months to return..Repeat: NEVER CROSS-LINK - NEVER CROSS-LINK!
But I've also had a site with a 0 pagerank because it missed the deep crawl and just got lightly skimmed by the GoogleBot for that month. I think I finished and uploaded it on the 14-15th.
From what GoogleGuy has said, you have to try pretty hard to get a real, 100% All American Google penalty. Most of the time it's just a blip....Unless you're as stupid as me, of course..ahem.. ;)
[edited by: nutsandbolts at 10:37 pm (utc) on Aug. 26, 2002]
Sure hope I'm in the bunch to be reprieved next month, too! It was great to see my site back for those few days at the beginning of this update.
Namely no backward links being shown?
I have thoroughly cleaned my whole site links. mirrors etc. way back in MaRCH but for some reason Google still seemed to be picking up on an old /~widget site that was mucked around with by my previous server (FAILING TO RESOLVE CORRECTLY) and may have been the main reason for the original penalty.
I believe one load of penalties is set to expire next month, for example.
I hope our site is within this batch :)
[edited by: NeedScripts at 6:50 am (utc) on Aug. 27, 2002]
Great news!
>kneelsit, were you a heavy zeus user?
He was Hope you don't mind me answering kneelsit, but he has said sorry :) Certain software have a pretty good sales pitch, just the sort of stuff that a busy inventor would "fall for".
50+ domains, all with their own content (some with too little, some with more than plenty) and a decent design, but the fatal error of a page on each site with links to all the other sites.
This month, blanket PR0, 1 or 2 on all pages of all sites.
I'm 70% sure that the 'links page' was causing the problem, though it could possibly be a combination of that and using related sites as links in a secondary navigation panel.
I have now removed all the links pages and tossed them in the river. Unfortunately for them, they floated and have since been decreed as witchcraft - now they face being burned at the stake.
I hope that this stern but barbaric course of action will earn my sites a reprieve in the coming months.
Reading Googleguy's haiku I see he understands it pefectly :) :
Some penalties
expire with time
some are permanent
In the short term, maybe. In the long run, I disagree. There are a lot of very intelligent, creative and energetic people hanging out here and when they're left guessing why their site got trashed they are motivated to move up the SEO ladder two rungs at a time. They learn to build their defenses on every front imaginable, then mount an assualt from the rear.
If the SE's were really smart, they would offer a query for a website to see what, if any, penalties are lodged against it. Then webmasters would expend their energies removing the offense rather than getting more creative in the "new optimizations" department.
The guys behind Google must chuckle everyday at people's desperate attempts to get higher in the index.
Now, for those who used Zeus or other link exchange systems who really didn't know the dangers with Google - then I do feel sorry for them. And as GG mentioned before, the removal of more penalties next month will hopefully help tons of Mom and Pop Web sites affected.
at first I have to say, that the domain I refer to is not the domain in my profile, because it is a search engine with @dult content. The URL is Snipped. I am sure , that the domain was penalized because I (think) I know why I got the penalty. Before I got PR0 I had some hidded links (CSS) on my sites. I think this was the cause of the PR0. But I have learned and have cleared my sites of absolutly every hidded text and other tricky stuff.
I would really be happy to know if my penalty is permanent or not, because then I could decide to take another domain.
I would be really unlucky if I have to change the domain , because I have about 1000 Relinks spread on the web.
greg
[edited by: NFFC at 3:36 pm (utc) on Aug. 27, 2002]
[edit reason] No URL's please, especially @dult [/edit]
The land of PR0 is like the inner city. All the professionals have already taken flight and built up spiffy new homes and factories in the suburbs.
The old, the lame, the weak and the sick will marvel at the metamorphis that surrounds them when the PR0 prison gates are opened ... but for them it will be too late.
Darwin calls this process evolution.
I had been up till October last year but then got rid of the whole directory when I heard about Link farms, wrote to Zeus software people and asked them to take down any links to me also all other Zeus type site I could identify.
Since that time I have set up my domain on a new server altogether and have only a limited number of themed reciprocal links to sites with PR4 or higher.
I have written to all the addresses at Google telling them what I have done (through ignorance at the time) and that I had cleaned it all up. I realise that Google is probably inundated with such letters - but it is frustrating to be still in a penalty situation almost a year later. Mine is only a small 2 man business and this has hit us extremely hard.
