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I don't know what the deal is. My sites were ranked fairly well, all had PR3's & 4's. I was working on linking to other good sites, and to generally increase my rankings. Now they are all PR0. Some of these sites have absolutely nothing to do with one another. I have no spam, no links to questionable sites, no weirdness at all. For some reason I've been handed the google web site death sentence and I have absolutely no reason as to why. The only thing I can think of is that they are all on the same commercial host. Would google PR0 all of my sites if they don't like my host?
Any ideas? Advice? Anything?
This is weird code and possible spamming......
<h1><img src="images/top_image.gif" alt="golf shoes like Nike, Reebok, Dunlop,Footjoy, Adidas, Etonic and Bite-X!"></h1>
I would take out he <h1> and remove the alt keyword stuffing. Also there is an empty <h2> tag which may upset the spider.
Thank you, I'll make the change.
Do you think that was enough to earn a PR0?
I'm firmly convinced that the c1bernaught site gone dropped not at all for any penalty reason.
[and that is the opinion stated also by GoogleGuy.. I don't trust anybody, usually, but this time I think GG does not have any reason to not say the truth.]
cminblues
I would look at this first. Check and see what the down time has been for your host and your site. See if that coincides with crawl dates. If so, it may be a reason.
My own personal opinion would be that the results from this search may be causing some issues also...
"+www.yourdomain.+com"
I think you're right, but that code could still be seen as spamming and get penalised. Not enough to get a pr0 though......
c1bernaught
my guess is that the server was down when the spider visited to cause the pr0. The only other reason I can think of is somewhere there is a link to a bad neighbourhood. You link out heavily to another golf site (nirvana) which is not listed in google....why? Is this the bad neighbourhood? How about blocking the spider to this site. Check out all the other links as well.
Golfnirvana is a new site and just made the index this month. It too has PR0.
It's odd that this type of thing is so inexplicable. How do you stay on google's good side if you don't know what you've done wrong?
I must say I have lost some of my respect for Google when they keep loosing sites and Im not just talking about me, there is many small business that relay on a good SE ranking, because they just aint got the money for big advertising and when such a businass looses the PR for 1-2 month the business could go down, thats sad.
zeus
O.K., here is my limited understanding of the way google works.
Google was built so that everyday users could get the most relevent searchs possible. Google may not have given a great deal of thought, in the beginning, as to the economic impact of their search tool. Now, I would imagine, hundreds of companies both large and small use Google to generate income. That also means jobs and taxes, etc..
I guess the question is... What, if any, responsibility does Google have for these business websites? If they "lose" your site and it suffers a PR0, or drops out of the index. Should Google alert you? Should they tell you why you're gone?
I don't know. I'm sure greater minds than mine have pondered (are pondering?) this one.
I can say that having your ranking taken away, through your fault or Googles, can be devastating if you rely on the income.
PR = links in...... thats what I would concentrate on, especially a few pr4+ links in.
As far as googles 'responsibilities' are concerned to small business's..... they have none, and why should they? Any small business should never be over-reliant on one outside source, that's just plain good business. Pretend they are not there for a month and get other clients from other sources.... on the basis that one day you may have to.
Thanks for the advice on PR. You're right, I need to go out and get some good links.
On the topic of Google responsibilities. You're right again, they have none. However, I believe they should. They have built, on purpose or not, a marketplace and should take at least some responsibility for how they effect that marketplace.
I believe that if you took all those people who are in the google index, who are trying to build a business, and removed them, the end user would quickly use another search tool that gave them the ability to find products or services. After all, the web isn't purely about commerce-less sites. In fact the trend is just the opposite.
On the topic of Google responsibilities. You're right again, they have none. However, I believe they should. They have built, on purpose or not, a marketplace and should take at least some responsibility for how they effect that marketplace.
I think that's a bit of a stretch. All they have built is the web's largest crawler-based search engine. Nothing less, nothing more.
Each month, the attempt to locate and index more documents then they did the month before. They are closing in on 3 billion documents.
When you try an index that much content in 14-21 days time, you will encounter a certain number of technical errors that will cause several thousands of documents to get dropped with each update. There is absolutely no way google could ever even think of notifing sites that get dropped.
Their only responsibility is to post information on their site that explains the fact that automated web crawling isn't a perfect science, and from time to time sites get dropped.
They've done that.
This is gonna be long....
I disagree with you. Google has done far more than just build the web's largest crawler-based search engine. I believe they also rank, filter and weigh each and every page they can. Why? Well, they have to have a way of placing websites in a viewable format. But that's not the real reason. The real reason has to do with relevence, I think google wants (needs)to deliver the very best search experience possible for their user, and that's as it should be.
However, being at the top of this 3 billion page searchable index can be very rewarding, and we all realize that. That's why this forum exists. So, we can all build the very best pages, that are more relevent than anyone elses, so we can get higher rankings, so we can get more viewers, so we can derive whatever benefit we had in mind in the first place.
So, in fact google has created a marketplace. Now whether they should have any responsibility for that marketplace is the question. I think they do.
Now, would it really be that hard for them to dump all sites that are penalized into a database, with the code for it's penalty, and then build a searchable interface? I mean they certainly have the information. They would probably get millions of hits on that puppy every new index!
Google is at the end of the day a website, like yours or mine, but a lot more successful !
Why should they spend time and money explaining why they have dropped a site? It could be a mistake, a legitimate reason or a whole load of reasons.
If we all had to justify every piece of content on our sites, I think we would all give up. In their case it's not practical.
We have to play by their rules, and they don't owe us a living. I just suppose we should be thankfull they are there and helping people to use the web and find our sites..... for free!
O.K., I'll play by the rules.
What are they?
1) Life's a bitch
2) Never let a sucker keep his money
3) Get more links in
4) Keep all seo in moderation
5) Use .html and not dynamic
6) Go for 100 pages at position 8 rather than 5 at position 1
7) Get more links in
8) Have a fall back position
9) Say nice things about googleguy
10) Never announce an update
6) Go for 100 pages at position 8 rather than 5 at position 1
You win!
I praise the awesome power of Google and all of it's acolytes!
I will continue to throw myself on the mercy of the Google gods, and will sacrifice all they ask, without explanation! I will build vast virtual towers of information, at some great expense of time and money, in the hopes of being held on high for all to see and wonder!
All Hail!
I don't trust my eyes.
Now that www www2 www3 are settled, I've realized, sure 100%, what is the reason for 90% of my sites being greyed.
The 1] odd thing, is that this [the reason] have nothing to do with spam, link-farm etc.
It's sense is not at all all 'rank pursue'.
(I've spent weeks in coding a highly efficient/optimized C app, server-side working in my greyed-sites. I cannot give details, 'cause I've not seen anything similar anywhere, so I fear being more identified.)
The 2] odd thing, and I think this is the true reason lot of people complain so hard in this update, is that I've tested the app on 1 site, 6-7 months ago, noticed no G penalty, so extended, every month, the app to more sites.
Now, all the penalties come together.
Of course, I've removed the app from all sites.
I hope only that the penalty will be removed next update.
Otherwise, I'll continue making sites without my beautiful app, but also I'll spend time and money reverse-eng.ing the cksum algo
in '/search?client=navclient&ch=nnnnnnnnnnn' famous PR googlebar stuff, and posting this anywhere.
Just to give G some feedback.
Of course there will be much groveling and scraping at the feet of the lesser gods as well. For it is their devine wisdom and working of magicks that hath grown the tower of googylon to such great heights. I pray the google gods not become angry and beguile us with foul algo riddles!
All Hail!
BTW: I believe I have solved the mystery of why my sites are all PR0.
Thanks to everyone for helping me out. I'd like to offer special thanks to ciml, MHes, and pageoneresults.
Slade -
What I mean by this is that I reckon every page of your site should be a potential home page for visitors, and optimised for a keyword. Inner pages can compete with 99% of index pages out there, if they are well tuned. It requires spreading the pr and not having it all concentrated on the home page. One search term may yield 100 visitors per day at position 1, but at position 8 it may attract 20 higher quality ones. So by aiming for that with 20+pages targeting 20+ different search phrases, you get more visitors and better quality.... it may not be the right approach for some sectors but it works for us.
I had stopped checking Google, too much depressed..
Now I see ALL my sites are back in, with the usual PR3-6..
[I'll admit, removed also some 'not-so-clean' links, 4-5 days ago..]
The next update, I'll stay not so close to my PC, sure. ;)
WHAT IS GOING ON!
A watched kettle is slower to boil.
I mean yes, you're probably right.
ARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHH!
Umm.. I'll just kick back and relax.......
ARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHH!
O.K., is this the everflux effect?
OK, I don't have a clue. It's odd that you still go in and out this long after an update. Normally this only happens when the listings have a date by them.
