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Deep crawling my PR5 site.

         

KakenBetaal

8:40 am on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I've had a nice deep crawl starting with a few pages on Monday, and most of my pages yesterday.

Anyone else getting crawled, and if so, what's your PR? My PR is an estimated high 5.

Brett_Tabke

8:54 am on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Looks like it's more of the traditional pre-update/post-update crawl. It started the middle-late last week.

KakenBetaal

9:06 am on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Thanks, that's my assumption too. I do wish Google would wait a week or so after the update to give us time to analyse the changes and make improvements. Now we have to wait two months to see the effects.

tigger

9:18 am on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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That's what makes this game so much fun :)

giggle

9:19 am on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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We have a page rank of 6 and I can see no sign of GoogleBot in our stats over the past month!

Should I be worried?

p.s. I'm looking at the RDNS Machine Identity - is that the correct place to be looking?

salmo

2:53 pm on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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KakenBetaal you can only come from one part of the world with a name like that. Nice to find a countryman (or woman) in the forums.

candidboy

3:06 pm on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Well my site has a pr of 5 and I also am experiencing googlebot all over my site.

This is more than a regular pre update crawl, as it is going deep

Mark Candiotti

4:14 pm on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I was under the (general) impression that shortly after the indexing (within perhaps 1 to 5 days) there is a major crawl and the results of this crawl then show up in the next indexing in 20-30 days. Is this correct? Why do some people mention two months?

ciml

4:26 pm on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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> two months?

Let's just pretend for a moment that Googlebot updates on the first of a month, fetches your page on the 2nd, and that you update it on the 3rd. The next update occurs about four weeks later, with the content from just before the update. It takes a further four weeks for another update, with uses fetch after the page was updated. Hence two months instead of one.

Of course it doesn't tend to happen quite like that, but it can. I find that newly linked site tend to need two updates, while the link itself is often in Google after one update.

taxpod

4:43 pm on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Googlebot only viewing a couple pages the past several days. The big one for me was the previously discussed crawl after the last update. Now I'm getting worried that my PR7 site isn't being crawled. Is everyone's site getting deep crawled today?

Mark Candiotti

4:54 pm on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Then I misunderstood. I was thinking that, to use your example, they update on the first of the month, I UPDATE it on the second, and then they "FETCH" it on the third. This would seem to make more sense, though it sounds like it's not what happens.

mahlon

4:57 pm on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hey KakenBetaal, send her my way will ya! :)

bcc1234

2:53 pm on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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None of my sites are getting any hits from googlebot.

pontifex

12:29 am on Jul 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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hi bcc1234,

some of the fellows here and myself reported heavy crawling about 2 days ago. This stopped (for me after about 1 hour) since then: silence.

One strange thing so: I had some hits from google.de and google.com on a site that is brand new and was spidered early July... pre-dance syndrome, I guess. That was about 2 hours ago for a very short period... should not be long to have another log-watch day with a nice little bottle of wine and some friends in the house ;-) My guess is within the next 24 hours the warm-up starts...

taxpod

12:54 am on Jul 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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No deep crawl on a PR7 homepage site which typically sees near a 100,000 page crawl. Hope that doesn't indicate anything. But I am getting a little nervous.

przero2

1:32 am on Jul 25, 2002 (gmt 0)



i have not seen any googlebot and there is nothing to feel nervous about that ... i would worry 10-15 days after the update and all the sites are deep crawled and my site is still left untouched by the bot:) .. getting nervous for every small nuance will make your nerves wreck soon!

KakenBetaal

4:27 pm on Jul 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hey Salmo, nice to see you around too! Yes, you're almost right - I'm from Mugabeland.

Haven't had any more Googlebot visits since yesterday, but he/she/it did take all my current pages, so I don't expect more than the odd refresh visit every couple of days until next month.

Unless this crawl is similar to the part crawl I had around 26th May just before the main update. That was followed by a deep crawl after the update.

Mark Candiotti

5:00 pm on Jul 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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"Then I misunderstood. I was thinking that, to use your example, they update on the first of the month, I UPDATE it on the second, and then they "FETCH" it on the third. This would seem to make more sense, though it sounds like it's not what happens. "

Soooooooooooooo, nobody really knows for sure do they...the individualistic, anecdotal, off-topic responses fill the void but DO get somewhat tiresome.

chowcat

5:34 pm on Jul 25, 2002 (gmt 0)



I've been used and abused by GoogleBot as well. I feel like a cheap one nighter. I wake up every morning and check my logs but alass, she has not returned. A deep sigh and then I turn to Webmaster World for reasurance, which helps - temporarily. I find a good way to take your mind off it is to hang out in the yahoo forum for a while.!

ciml

5:52 pm on Jul 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I don't see what you're getting at Mark.

In my example the page is updated just after it's fetched, near the start of the cycle. The change would be expected to show up in about two months.

In your example it's updated just before it's fetched, near the start of the cycle. The change would be expected to show up in about one month.

My other comment, about the change to a page appearing in the next update and the benefit to the page it links to appearing in the second, has to do with the case where the updated is fetched several times during the crawl. For the linked-to page to benefit it seems to need to be linked at the first fetch of the crawl. This comment is certainly anecdotal, but I've been seeing it for a while so it seemed worth a mention.

> off-topic
I think we're the ones on a side topic in this thread.

teeceo

8:13 pm on Jul 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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So when googlebot crawls this month(next few days or so)when will that crawl info show up in google? I though as sone as there done crawling your site that they give it a PR and serp and send it on its way for the month. Am I wrong to think that?

teeceo.

yankee

8:24 pm on Jul 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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"For the linked-to page to benefit it seems to need to be linked at the first fetch of the crawl. "

CIML, I have found the same to be true. Very important point that clarifies the topic. The only gray area is when is the first fetch? Last cycle there was a crawl shortly before and another shortly after the update started.

teeceo

8:31 pm on Jul 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Heres one for ya. If you post a tread in resouce-zone.com/ and add a url, and that url becomes a link, will that count on your PR with google?

thanks.

teeceo

Volando

8:35 pm on Jul 25, 2002 (gmt 0)



please pardon my ignorance, but how is it that the majority of you are able to tell that the googlebot was on your site within the last two hours? do you view your log files that often? have you built some kind of program into your machines that tells you when the googlebot arrived? thanks for the input ...

Dpeper

9:03 pm on Jul 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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i live in my logs...

Volando

9:14 pm on Jul 25, 2002 (gmt 0)



Okay, if you live in your logs, how can you possibly work with anything else?

Are you one of those people who drives while talking on a cell phone, smoking a cigarette, drinking a soft drink, and eating a burger?

smokin

9:30 pm on Jul 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I have had googlebot visit my site everyday for the past 2 months..is this happening to anybody else?

Mark Candiotti

11:24 pm on Jul 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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hi ciml

i most certainly was not referring to you - your posts are always spot on and informative... just a little frustrated no one else jumped in :-)

huppy99

3:51 am on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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We have 2 PR6 sites. Googlebot visits every day checking home page and links from that page for changes.

Haven't noticed any deep crawl recently.

Does PR affect how often Googlebot checks sites for updates?
I assume if a site has a high PR, and frequent updating (news feeds for example) Google would do minor updates in the index for those sites in between deep crawls?

KakenBetaal

6:40 am on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Volando, regular careful attention to my logs is what has helped make my site the success it is today. I remember a quote from Brett_Tabke - there's gold in those logs. Perhaps some of us (myself included) check our logs a little too much.

I've found that the more time I spend with those logs the more creative ideas I've come up with for improving my site and improving my focused traffic.

Mark_Candiotti, maybe this will help you to understand the update/crawl cycle, at least the way it used to work:

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Example 1 - my favourite version of events. :)

* Start of Month 1. Google index is updated based on the crawl that happened about a month ago, near the beginning of Month 0.

* I see changes to my SERPs and PR, and find out what I did right and what I did wrong with last month's changes. That lets me make some educated guesses on what to change for the next index update. I use this time to fine-tune my site, and upload a number of new, improved, and shining pages.

* 5 days later. The new crawl starts, and Googlebot comes getting my newly altered pages.

* End of Month 1. Google index is updated with the crawl that happened just under a month ago, at the beginning of Month 1.

Result - I get to see the results of my updates in a month.

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Example 2 - Bad Google! (j/k, that's from an SEO perspective. :)

* Start of Month 1. The new crawl starts before the index is updated, and Googlebot comes getting my pages. I haven't seen the results of the latest update yet, so I haven't prepared any changes.

* A few days later. Google index is updated based on the crawl that happened about a month ago, near the beginning of Month 0.

* Now I get to see what changes in my SERPs have occurred, and I make changes. I have to wait until the crawl in Month 2 has completed (probably about a month away) before Google will pick up the newly updated pages, and the index update from that crawl will only happen about another month after that.

* End of Month 1. Google index is updated with the crawl that happened just under a month ago, at the beginning of Month 1.

Result - I get to see the results of my updates in about two months.

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I've not mentioned the effect of any mid-cycle updates to keep things simple.

Huppy99, Smokin, I get visits from Googlebot generally twice a week with requests for robots.txt and my index page, perhaps because this is the only page that changes regularly.

As for crawl order, I think I'm a high PR5, and I tend to get crawled later than many of the higher PR websites (relative to me) belonging to members on this board. I've also noticed that lower PR sites tend to get crawled after me. I'm not sure there's a hard and fast rule here, and this month Googlebot's main deep crawl seem to be different, if that is in fact what I had this week. Anyone remember the May 26 (AFAIK that was the date) deep crawl that affected only some sites here? Maybe the big crawl is still coming after the update, and this week's crawl is like the May 26 one.

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