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HyperGeek

7:37 pm on Jul 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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...www.huckster-seo.com's founder decides to put a link on the bottom of every page of a client's 2000 page site (with permission, of course).

The only request of his client is that the link doesn't stand out on the page.

Huckster chooses a tightly written, poetically versed "." and decides to use that as the text for his link... next to the client's "Privacy Statement" link. So now it reads "Privacy Statement." but it's actually two links.

Huckster is feeling pretty clever. Too bad he doesn't act the part.

Consequence? Anyone with an opinion? (lol!)

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Weblamer

7:44 pm on Jul 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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what is huckster-seo.com? it would not come up for me.

I once put a link within a '.' on one of my pages to get a spider to crawl other pages. seemed to work ok.

JamesR

7:49 pm on Jul 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Qualifies as a hidden link, IMO, and is open to Google penalty.

Is he trying to show up for searches on "." ? :)

vitaplease

7:49 pm on Jul 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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As you have "." in 2000 anchortexts you will rank very well for a search on "."

I just did a search on "." in Google and Huckster came up first.. well done! :)

<<added>> you win by 10 seconds JamesR

Marcia

7:52 pm on Jul 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>what is huckster-seo.com?
Maybe it's the parent company of sheister-seo.com

fathom

8:09 pm on Jul 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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A few things come to mind...

1. what if a visitor actually wants to see the privacy statement. It would seem that huckster doesn't much care if his client's creditability is cleverly reduced.

2. PageRank (and link pop) is no replacement for good SERP's, an anchor text to "something SEO something" or a graphic, would provide better ranking in terms of targeted queries. What is a . link anyway?

3. A couple thousand "." links may be good ego food, it will produce excellent Link Popularity, and PageRank, but it still comes back to...

Targeting the wrong keyword query "." and you have produced nothing!

HyperGeek

8:11 pm on Jul 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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what is huckster-seo.com?

A subsidiary of smeg-seo-practices, inc.

*OR*

Someone inevitably bound to fail. :)

brotherhood of LAN

8:13 pm on Jul 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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You would think that a good old text advertisement is out of fashion!

Using a . as a link makes it stick out like a sore thumb, i.e. pagerank is what they are wheeling and dealing.

Maybe it would be a ton more credible (and legitimate) if it was just a normal text link, with, dare i say it, keywords that clearly explain the destination page.

HyperGeek

8:17 pm on Jul 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Okay... so he's at it again!

Huckster's client was reading your posts and politely asked Huckster to remove the "." next to their privacy statement link.

Huckster is now getting inventive!

He's created a 10 X 100 clear graphic at the bottom of his client's indicia (again, on every page). The ALT tags reads "huckster keyword, huckster keyphrase, huckster, keyword, huckster, keyphrase".

Huckster feels that he's more clever than ever!

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So what happens now when Google dances? Does Huckster get penalized or does he jig?

fathom

8:19 pm on Jul 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hmmm... being a legit SEO! BOL I think your on to something.

brotherhood of LAN

8:28 pm on Jul 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Well fathom, that is it there.

Once upon a time, a text link was an advertisement. Maybe if I can claim ignorance to SEO, Google, Pagerank and everything else in here I can still innocently use text links for ads.

'tis not a publishers fault for google using pagerank to measure a site/pages importance, after all, text link ads have been around for longer ;)

vitaplease

8:29 pm on Jul 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Huckster's competitor found out Huckster suddenly ranked higher in Google on "huckster keyphrase" and found 2000 incoming extra links from Huckster's client's site and furiously called Google. Google imposed a personal eternal "greybar" penalty topped-up with the occasional "whitebar" penalty to both Huckster's client and Huckster himself and they happily argued ever after..

But Googlebot will have done that already with "clear graphics" on every page leading to the exact same external site?

fathom

8:35 pm on Jul 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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In reality, the client's are voting that Huckster is a must see site if you are interested in "huckster keyword, huckster keyphrase, huckster, keyword, huckster, keyphrase".

None of this will ever put huckster at number #1 for SEO, search engine opitimization, search engine positioning, search engine ranking which are the most common keyword phrases under what huckster is trying to achieve, and at the expense at his current clients.

Remember "if" huckster gets penalized, all the clients get penalized for voting for him. Will he... probably not, but I definitely wouldn't bet my clients websites and my livelihood on these tactics.

ciml

2:13 pm on Jul 19, 2002 (gmt 0)

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fathom, I suspect that there's a good chance that his clients will be penalised for linking to a known bad neighbourhood.

vitaplease, I'd be surprised if the automatic penalty caught the clear image, but if the process helps huckster to get ranked well under anything remotely competitive then he may get human review at some point anyway.

HyperGeek, I guess that huckster's client continues reading these posts and politely asks for the clear images to be removed. huckster might choose to include the link text but style it as normal body text.

It's no longer hidden, it just doesn't look like a link. Do we advise the client to ask for its removal?