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A Mom and Pop PR 8! PR8!

am I dreaming?

         

danny

6:48 am on Jul 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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After the recent rescaling, I seem to have made PR 8... someone please check I'm not dreaming! I don't know that I qualify as a mom and pop site [webmasterworld.com], but I'm not exactly a megacorp either.

[edited by: danny at 7:19 am (utc) on July 15, 2002]

Hawkgirl

7:49 pm on Jul 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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My understanding is that DMOZ and Yahoo! are two of the sites that are given an initial PR by the Google algorithm (as well as Google of course).

I don't quite get this. Sometimes I think the results should be tweaked by hand - a face validity reality-check kind of thing. Every time I visit www.washingtonpost.com I boggle that it's not a PR10. :)

jtoddv

7:51 pm on Jul 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Yeah Danny, you are dreaming. It just dropped to a 7 sucker!!!!

Haha.

Having fun because I envy. Your fine.

It seems like everyone is jumping 1 PR point in between June and July updates. They must have adjusted the PR scale a little, which is only appropriate. It is insane how few sites had high PRs(8-10). Frankly, I find Yahoo useless. Just because a site doesn't have over a 1,000,000 incoming links, doesn't mean it is not valuable!!! It seems they are being a little more generous these days which is good.

At least in my opinion.

[edited by: jtoddv at 7:55 pm (utc) on July 15, 2002]

dan_popescu

7:55 pm on Jul 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Awesome site Danny. You've got over 2500 pages indexed by Google!!! I feel embarassed.

budterm

8:17 pm on Jul 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>>I don't quite get this. Sometimes I think the results should be tweaked by hand - a face validity reality-check kind of thing.

My understanding is that, since the PR algorithm is recursive, it needs at least one "initial condition" or else it reduces to an identity.

Any mathematicians out there?

Jill

8:22 pm on Jul 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Very cool, Danny! You give us all hope!! Keep up the good work.

taxpod

8:28 pm on Jul 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I'm still seing an 8. Congrats, Danny.

Yes lots of sites have been moved up a notch (more?) between dances which is weird. It's also weird that serps are in constant motion. I'd bet that Google is experimenting with mechanism to generate more frequent updates. I've heard that the cycle is supposed to shorten. So maybe these are the beginning signs of that.

I got lucky and moved from 6 to 7. Even if my site were to crash and burn, I'd go to my grave saying, once I was a 7. I don't even dare to dream of an 8. One day one of you will enter a bar and there will be this old, fat drunk sucking on a Guinness telling the young punks, "well I don't care how tough you think you are. When I was your age, I was a 7. Stick that in your beer and drink it!"

But not everybody has changed PR. I follow a couple dozen sites in my category and maybe 20% have changed PR. The serps however have been in almost constant flux. Not big changes, mind you, but fairly constant. One day you see the serps like after the last dance, the next you see them like after the dance before that, the day after that you see a variation of the two. But it's pretty clear this isn't a dance because besides it being too early, the in-bound links haven't changed and there isn't much variety between the WWWs.

mahlon

9:55 pm on Jul 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Good job! :)

Did anyone notice Google has a PR of 10? They are very proud!

ciml

12:37 pm on Jul 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

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budterm:
> My understanding is that, since the PR algorithm is recursive, it needs at least one "initial condition" or else it reduces to an identity.

The initial condition can be flat, where all addresses get the same 'rank source'. After enough iterations, the values converge to a steady state.

There has been no indication (to my knowledge) that Google use any other type of rank source, but the early papers did discuss how that could be a useful way of giving personalised results.

budterm

2:24 pm on Jul 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Thanks, ciml.

Yes, I am making assumptions from the early papers. Plus, it just seems to make sense... and conveniently the "favored authorities" (DMOZ and Yahoo!) always had the highest PR (except for Google of course).

ferrari360

1:17 am on Jul 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hi Guys,

If Yahoo and DMOZ are both given initial PR and they have both recently become PR10's then it is natural that some of the sites indexed within these directorys are experiencing PR shifts.

kevchadders

3:45 pm on Jul 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Congrats Danny, but

When i check its backward links

[google.com...]

you have about 2430 links... and most of them seem to be located within your own website

e.g

dannyreviews.com/s/short_fiction.html (or)
dannyreviews.com/a/f.html (or)
dannyreviews.com/a/e.html (etc...)

I was under the impression that inner links on the same website are not counted when judging PR... maybe i'm missing something (like a brain! )

Can someone explain this to me? What is going on?? Does it depend on the type of website you are running???

budterm

4:34 pm on Jul 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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kevchadders:

Internal pages are handled the same as external pages in the Page Rank algorithem. A page is a page. That's why it is so critical to make sure your pages all link back to your main page.

Of course, the Page Rank of the page does count... as does it's theme and the link text used to point to the page in question.

kevchadders

8:09 am on Jul 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for that explanation budterm! :)

danny

12:50 pm on Jul 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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kevchadders, all links are counted in PR - it's
a property of pages, not sites.

Last time I did investigated, more than half the external links to my site were to deeper pages - specific reviews and subject categories - rather than to the home page, so most of my pages have "independent" PR (not just derived from the home page).

weisinator

5:49 pm on Jul 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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*Slides a brew down the bar*

Good job!

It goes to show that Content is King, regardless of what they say on CNBC.

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