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Any Mom and Pop PR8's?

         

Brett_Tabke

10:37 am on Jul 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Know of any pr8 or higher sites with a single proprietor?

I think there is a pr glass ceiling for mom and pops at pr7

ciml

8:21 pm on Jul 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

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vitaplease:
> ...I assumed (but never iterated/calculated) that the effect of the interlinking subpages (B) of Crames (+ one external link) would have more of a dampening effect on the final Pagerank kick-back effect towards Crames'index page(A) than explained above?

Yes, I picked the two page scenario because it's easy (and because I know that the decay factor is 1/30 in that case). I think the principle's clear, though, it is possible to collect a little extra PR from internal linking.

vitaplease

9:03 pm on Jul 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

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In a way, inadvertedly, this link set-up of 3dflags.com towards Crames.com is similar if not extreme to what was proposed in the goodgooglebomb thread:

[webmasterworld.com...]

collect all the PR you can get and lead it to a selected site(s)and even get a slight increase on pagerank while doing so!
Just pagerank for pagerank purposes though, as for SE-ranking, its only one (but strong) vote that can be motivated (anchortext) by "external" power.

andrey_sea

9:43 pm on Jul 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Thanks guys, this actually makes a lot more sence than the clickthrough explanation. The only thing that is still a little confusing for me is the word inbound links (internal links?). To summarize the explanation in simple terms it is:

1. 3dflags is a very high PR7 Crames is a very low PR8.
2. 3dflags passes along almost the maximum PR benefit to Crames.
3. Through good use of internal (not inbound, when you say inbound I am thinking external incomming links) linking the high PR7 passed along from 3dflags gets amplified through PR feedback loops to produce a very low PR8 site for Cramer. (Plus may be a few other smallish external links take it over the top to PR8)

Did I get this right?

ggrot

1:40 am on Jul 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

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How about this one:
[itools.com...]

I'm not certain, but I've emailed with their webmaster before (at least a year ago) and it seemed like a 1 man show.

ciml

11:26 am on Jul 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

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> inbound links (internal links?).

I'd say that inbound links are links coming in from outside. External links could be coming in or going out.

People normally think of internal as being within a domain, and external as being between domains. I think of it as being within a collection, or outside a collection; the collection can be part of a site, a group of sites or just a page.

> Did I get this right?

Yes Andrey, that sounds like a good summary. Of course this is just one explanation, but for my money it's the credible one.

muesli

7:38 am on Jul 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

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one of my users has a "mom and pop" site with PR8 (myself only 7), a private weblog: [poocs.net....] wonder how he did it.

ggrot

7:57 am on Jul 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

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[movabletype.org...]

Movable Type is developed by the husband/wife team of Benjamin Trott and Mena G. Trott

PR8.

ggrot

7:58 am on Jul 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Now the question becomes: Are there any Mom&Pops with PR9?

danny

8:58 am on Jul 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

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PR9? Give me another decade... :-)

pgrote

2:24 pm on Jul 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

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It's funny about the mom and pop talk. My main site is a page rank of 7. When I first found out about page rank I was surprised that we ranked that high. As a couple of months passed it became a badge of pride. Imagine my depression when last month it dropped to 6. This month we're back at 7.

Maybe there could be an affliction called dePRession. :-)

It would appear that the mom and pop sites with a higher PR have been around a while. Does age have to do with PR outside of the fact there is more of a chance to build incoming links?

vitaplease

4:37 pm on Jul 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Does age have to do with PR outside of the fact there is more of a chance to build incoming links?

If you go out link-hunting, you will find that many well established and relatively high Pagerank ranking directories have gone dead. That is they are not maintained anymore. As a latecomer in the web-business, asking for listings in these sites, I have often received polite email responses from the webmaster saying that to his regret the site has been more or less abandoned. I would say a lot of this had to do with the pre-2000 internet hype when everyone started directories, hubs, info-sites etc.

Google could or should discount this effect in the Pagerank algorithm if they wanted to, by saying that any site not changing, or not receiving new links towards - or placing outbound links from it - is discounted in Pagerank.

One way to do that would be to archive the "age of links".
See the Google programming contest:

[google.com...]

Now the question becomes: Are there any Mom&Pops with PR9?

I would say little chance:
[webmasterworld.com...]

Do not forget, with the logscale applying to the toolbar Pagerank, that would be another factor 6-10 more difficult than achieving the already amazing PR8.

ggrot

6:14 pm on Jul 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Well, I just had bought a domain april 1st this year, with no site developed for it at the time. It now has PR7. So, from that case example, I would say that there is little requirement at least that a site be old. This domain now has thousands of links to it, some from quite high PR sites, which is the reason it has it's PR7.
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