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The question I am asking is - out of these 17 pages my homepage is not one of them but why would it still have cached a few of these pages if banned etc, one of the cached pages is the sitemap which in theory should then of cached pages linked off that
Google replied to both my emails saying the sites were not banned.
Since then and until the recent update, the missing site had got one page back, and the other site freshened one of the two pages, lost the other and gained one.
At the recent update, most of each site reappeared, marked supplemental and with a cache date of 1969.
I've no explanation for why Googlebot fails to call by daily - it's down to once a month, and that, I think, is half the problem.
It seems that it's all happening in slow motion!
DerekH