Top 10 position

Ways to get top 10 position

[MeeshaMosaic]

Hi

I was getting 7 SERP for a very competitive keyphrase of 3 words in google.co.uk. But from 3 weeks its getting down by 9 then 12.. 15 and now its on 18 th L. Now there are some new sites on page 1 without keywords in title tag. It’s very strange. Suggestions appreciated.

[union_jack]

can i put to bed the sandbox effect theroy.

I have a site 10,000 pages four years old, all pages ranking with in the top 30 searches for there given keyword.

I changed the layout of 7,000 pages as somebody had virtually copied my site, the 7,000 pages completelly disappear, well the 3,000 untouched pages stay in exactly the same position.

I think this is proof positive that if you make major changes regardless of the age of your site Google will sandbox you to make sure you are not trying to cheat the rankings.

[grandpa]

Ways to get top 10 position

It's really easy. You simply need the following:

Good content

A good page title

Lots of links

Good anchor text

Directory listings

Validated pages

Plenty of patience

It works for this old man most of the time.

[neo_brown]

When using the allinanchor command does this take internal links into consideration?
Do the actual serps give them the same consideration?

Also does it register all the links even if you have say 50 from one site? Do the serps treat these links in the same way?

I was ranking great on Google for various two words phrases, I put most of my success down to my internal linking structure, obviously the page was optimised in all sorts of ways but I only began to dominate the serps when I implemented the new link structure.
This all crashed with Austin I believe.

I dont know if this provides any info on your problem but it could be relevant.

[AthlonInside]

MeeshaMosaic,

Sorry, I make a stupid mistake. The search should be

link:www.yournumber1competitor.com instead of allinanchor.

Also, make sure there is no SPACE between the : and the site address.

[mark1615]

Ways to get top 10 position

It's really easy. You simply need the following:

Good content

A good page title

Lots of links

Good anchor text

Directory listings

Validated pages

Plenty of patience

---> This one is for grandpa (or anyone)-

1) Good content - do you mean this in a quantitative (x% keyword density) or a qualitative way?
2) Lots of links - lots from a few urls or one link from lots of urls
3) What type of directories?

[grandpa]

1) Good content - do you mean this in a quantitative (x% keyword density) or a qualitative way?
2) Lots of links - lots from a few urls or one link from lots of urls
3) What type of directories?

1) Both - Obviously keyword density is a factor. Quality content follows research and product promotion.

2) Lots of links from a lot of URL's. Get links to the front page, to the deep pages. Use link text that relates to the page. I take links from almost anyone, related to my industry or not. Obviously, those that are related get my attention first. Put up some outbound only links too. You must have run across a few site that your visitors might appreciate.

3) Google, DMOZ, any niche directory.

[internetheaven]

I did anchor text optimization even than site is not coming back from 2nd page to 1st page.

You said that the changes have occured over the past three weeks, if you've performed the suggested anchor text "optimization" then it won't affect your site for some time yet.

Most likely you just got hit with an algo change.

Exactly, alot of people sit there with their number one ranking and don't keep up with the current ranking factors or keep on top of their inbound links. If you don't keep working on your site, someone else will overtake you.

I have a site 10,000 pages four years old, all pages ranking with in the top 30 searches for there given keyword. I changed the layout of 7,000 pages as somebody had virtually copied my site, the 7,000 pages completelly disappear, well the 3,000 untouched pages stay in exactly the same position. I think this is proof positive that if you make major changes regardless of the age of your site Google will sandbox you to make sure you are not trying to cheat the rankings.

<snip> Loads of sites add pages every single day which are ranked highly as soon as they hit the index and they stay there. Big sites with high PageRank, high numbers of inbound links, high quality internal linking etc. have no problem bypassing the "new page" filters Google has in place. Also, changes to pages do not result in a drop in ranking unless you made a mistake - fresh content is always welcomed by Googlebot and the new page filter is applied to new pages, not fresh content.

[edited by: ciml at 5:52 pm (utc) on Oct. 22, 2004]
[edit reason] We will keep on topic. Thank you. [/edit]

[seo_sherpa]

meeshamosaic if you over-optimize a site, google starts to penalize it for 1-2 phrases you have optimized it for.

So the site might still rank for lower keywords but takes a hit for top ones.

See Bretts theme article for undersatnding how google determines your top keywords.

Hope this helps

[DerekH]

sep_sherpa wrote

meeshamosaic if you over-optimize a site, google starts to penalize it for 1-2 phrases you have optimized it for.

What?
Er I just don't understand how Google can read a page, and deduce *which* 1-2 phrases for which you have optimised it, let alone *start* to penalise it. Penalise or *start* to?
Do explain - that's a stunning assumption!
DerekH

[MeeshaMosaic]

AthlonInside: It’s 246. Also, the SERP have improved from 15th to 13 position :).
But still not coming in first page.

seo_sherpa : Would it be possible to give the url of that article. Thanks.

[coosblues]

I believe the page you want MEE is [searchengineworld.com ]

[MeeshaMosaic]

Thank you very much.

[MeeshaMosaic]

Would it make a difference if use anchor text at the top of the page or embedded in the page elsewhere?

[McMohan]

if you rank high with the allin commands and nowhere on the normal serps you are suffering from google-lag/sandboxing.

Yes I think so that sandbox effect happened to new sites only.

I wonder why sandbox is being mentioned here. As MeeshaMosaic says, his site is doing rounds between 10 and 20 and this is no sign of a sandbox.

Also, thought atleast somone will mention, sandbox applies to links (IBLs), not to the sites. Since new sites anyway have new links, they suffer the most.

I'm sick of people trying to pad out their "number of messages" with "I agree" sentences .... what's the point?

Thought I didn't post that "I agree" comment, I fully defend such posts. When so many views and counterviews are being expressed here on a fairly debatable issue, newbies are most likely to get confused and a consensus of some kind will make it clear which way the majority opinion is moving.

Mc

[mark1615]

internetheaven makes a point regarding "overoptimization" of a page. This is a point often mentioned that I would like to clarify by soliciting opinions on the following:

1) How to define overoptimization? Assume this is mostly if not entirely an on page issue.
2) In Brett's 12 month plan he asserts that keyword density should be in the 5-20% range - is something in excess of that too much? Where is the line?
3) Other factors.

All opinions on this are appreciated.

This subject remindes of a comment in the movie Amadeus where the young Mozart hearing a piece by competitor Solieri remarks "No. Too many notes." and then improves on it. So, when is less more?

[union_jack]

<snip> In my last post i pointed out that my new design pages had been removed because i made so many changes(complete redesign). Some pages were competing against 500,000 results others against less than a 1000, without exeception they have all been removed compeltely from the results. I therefore made the point that Google noticed so many pages changed (All loaded on up on the same day) and took them out of its results to see if this was an attempt to spam, the only explanation is that i completely made a hash of my redesign which is plausable if my pages simply dropped in placement, which as i said is not the case and i would back myself everytime to get my page in the top ten of any search term with less than a 1000 results.
<snip>

[edited by: ciml at 5:53 pm (utc) on Oct. 22, 2004]
[edit reason] We will keep on topic. Thank you. [/edit]

[MeeshaMosaic]

the SERP have improved from 15th to 12 position :)Waiting for first page.

[opiesilver]

Yeah, another chapter in my love/hate google relationship, my pages that disappeared in August have suddenly shown back up at number eight in the SERP again. This happens every single time they change the bloody algo.